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Bad kill switch

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thanks again so what I have done before was I tried to bypass the whole wire harness by running a strait wire from the igniter to the coil and I got no spark from it. but what I will do again is check the 12 v to the coil again before it was really low and I will also try to clean all the connecters which is something I have not done ye.t so dumb question which one is the 12v wire I assume it is the orange wire
 
Ok cool so tomorrow I will redo the test and clean my wires hopefully I can get to the bottom of this lol
 
Here is an image of the Start/Run switch.

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As you can see, the "Run" rocker switch connects the two contacts inside the black rocker switch housing, that connects the 12Vdc supply to the 2nd orange wire to the black housing. One orange wire delivers 12Vdc to the rocker run switch, you engage the rocker switch and it slides a metallic contact so the the 12Vdc supply (Orange/Wht) now can go to the "Start" contact. When you push the start contact the round contact sends 12 Vdc back down that black harness wire to supply both coils with 12Vdc.
 
Here is the other side of the contacts inside of the "Run/Start" switch.

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Your "Start" button connects the center conductor to the outer conductor on the round contact to the extreme right side of the image.
 
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So, putting it all together you can see where the Yellow/Grn wire is soldered to the outer ring of the round post connector, and the Orange/Wht wire is soldered to the center of the post.

Pushing the "Start" button connects the inner and outer connections on the round post and you now have 12Vdc going to both of your coils. Your wiring may have different colors.
 
thanks Joe for the pics better understanding of how all that works
ok so I just went out and double checked the 12v at the coils. So I disconnected the wire to the coil and connected the probes to the wires to the harness, with the ignition on I got 11.8 to 12v on my o/w and Black wire which is my 2/3 coil wires I hit the start button and then dropped to 9.3
now on to coil 1/4 which is the o/w and white wires I got 11.4 to 11.6 with the ignition on I then hit the start button and it drops to 8.4. Now I have not cleaned anything with contact spray yet I have to run out and buy some but that is on my agenda to do list
 
Clean the contacts first. Don't forget to clean the fuse connectors as well.

Those voltages you measured are still a little low. May not be the root cause of your problem with 2&3 but still a potential problem. Do the following just to verify:

Measure the voltage of your battery directly across the terminals with the ignition off:

Measure the voltage across your battery with the ignition on:

Measure the voltage at your coils O/W wires with the ignition on and the coils attached:

Use a good solid ground like the engine case or the negative battery terminal for all the measurements above. You should be able to probe the coil side of the connector with your meter probe. If you can't get the probe in there then use a small piece of wire to extend the probe tip and allow you to probe inside the connector. You could also simply puncture through the insulation after the connector with a pin and probe that.

Report back all the measurements.

We're not checking the charging circuit here. That's another issue to address. We're just verifying that the correct voltages are getting to the coils and if not why.

So far my guess is that the igniter is the source of your 2&3 problem but you have some possible voltage losses that will cause issues as well. No way to tell how much line loss you have without first knowing what the battery voltage is when doing the coil voltage tests. That's why I asked you to do the tests above.
 
ok here are my numbers
voltage of battery directly across the terminals with the ignition off is (12.4v)
voltage across your battery with the ignition on is (12.2v)
coils O/W wires with the ignition on and the coils attached (Coil 1/4) 10.2v black probe grounded to the frame
(coil 2/3) 10.1v black probe grounded to the frame
 
trucker said:
ok here are my numbers
voltage of battery directly across the terminals with the ignition off is (12.4v)
voltage across your battery with the ignition on is (12.2v)
coils O/W wires with the ignition on and the coils attached (Coil 1/4) 10.2v black probe grounded to the frame
(coil 2/3) 10.1v black probe grounded to the frame
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OK, you have some voltage loss but that can be addressed later. With those number and no spark on only 2&3 using the DVM trigger method, I'd say your igniter probably is the culprit. Once you get it replaced and regain spark on 2&3 you'll need to do some cleanup to get those voltages up to par. You should not be seeing a 2V drop between battery and coils. It's a long path between battery and ignition coils/igniter. Several connectors and a switch are in line. You can clean up the existing connections and get closer to spec. You may also consider doing the relay mod, but a good healthy electrical system shouldn't need it. Either way you should address this before you go further with the project.
 
ok that is what I was also leaning towards was the igniter time to order one thanks I will keep ya all posted
 
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