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Powder couating, frame ID plate problem

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Hi all!

I am in the beginning of my 550 Katana's restoration. The tear down is nearly complete. I really want to powder coat the frame in textured black. My only concern is this little frame ID plate here:

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I think is trouble to paint near the plate, and the powder can't fly under it hmmm... anybody find a solution for this? Is it OK, to not paint this little area, and paint the rest of the frame?? Will the paint chipping off because of this??

Thank you!

I have to keep it, because the records in the police, and government. I can't touch it!! If they realize that I am removed it, and after put it back, I am in big trouble... :(
 
All I am seeing is a red X, but it sounds like you are talking about the sticker with the VIN number? As far as I know the Vin is also hard stamped into the neck. If that is the case you should be able to remove the ID plate/sticker.
 
I've never seen a VIN plate like that. All the GS's I've seen use a sticker, not a plate like that. What country are you in? Maybe the originating country required a riveted VIN plate? Personally, I wouldn't mess with it. Drilling out the rivets may render the ID invalid. I'd talk to your powder coat guy and ask if he can mask the area. There are special high temp tapes available for just such a purpose.
 
The bike built in Germany...

Thanks for the idea, I will search on the frame, if there is any other ID possibility. In my country Hungary, every bike/car etc. has a green ID paper. In it you can find the engine number and the frame nubmer, and the datas of the bike. There is an exam what a bike should absolve to be road legal every 2 year. This date is there, too. If a policeman stop me, he can check the matching numbers, and every 2 years in the exam, they check it, too. You can't change frame, or engine easily. Engine is a possibility, if the another engine is exactly identical swap. And you have to pay for the change! You CAN'T change frame!! If the plate is damaged, or buggered, I have to sell out the bike in parts!!! No other way...
 
Contact the authorities to see if you can have one of them witness the matching plate and frame number.
Then, remove the plate, powder coat the frame and have a witness (same one, maybe?) observe the re-mounting of the plate on the proper frame.

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Steve!

It is a good advice, thank you! I will ask, and report to you all, what will be the ending of this little misery. In first days of march the frame will be painted, I can't wait!!! :)
 
German Word

German Word

gabos666 said:
Hi all!

I am in the beginning of my 550 Katana's restoration. The tear down is nearly complete. I really want to powder coat the frame in textured black. My only concern is this little frame ID plate here:

2013-02-19191200_zpsa52543e8.jpg


I think is trouble to paint near the plate, and the powder can't fly under it hmmm... anybody find a solution for this? Is it OK, to not paint this little area, and paint the rest of the frame?? Will the paint chipping off because of this??

Thank you!

I have to keep it, because the records in the police, and government. I can't touch it!! If they realize that I am removed it, and after put it back, I am in big trouble... :(
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Been trying to research the requirement for removal and replacement of the identi-plate but I don't know if you're allowed to do as Agemax suggests.

I did find this: http://www.suzukigtclub.nl/Suzuki_Rahmen1.pdf

And this: http://www.sl113.org/wiki/DataCard/VIN

Nessism said:
I've never seen a VIN plate like that. All the GS's I've seen use a sticker, not a plate like that. What country are you in? Maybe the originating country required a riveted VIN plate? Personally, I wouldn't mess with it. Drilling out the rivets may render the ID invalid. I'd talk to your powder coat guy and ask if he can mask the area. There are special high temp tapes available for just such a purpose.
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You're right, I checked mine and it is a sticker that is nearly peeled off.

I thought I recognized the German word: fahrgestell.

It means frame/chassis.

Agemax said:
you can buy brass round head rivets.........

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brass-riv..._Metalworking_Supplies_ET&hash=item3ccf16bd34

nobody will ever know!!!
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That's a good idea...just use the existing holes and re-rivet. Now, what happens to the end pieces that will jingle in the frame? Can they come out the neck of the frame? (I've never torn down a bike to the frame so that's why I ask)





Ed
 
Europe has many funny laws.......there is paper work on just about everything....sometimes for good reason, other times it's just about knowing your business....
 
GSXR7ED said:
Been trying to research the requirement for removal and replacement of the identi-plate but I don't know if you're allowed to do as Agemax suggests.

I did find this: http://www.suzukigtclub.nl/Suzuki_Rahmen1.pdf

And this: http://www.sl113.org/wiki/DataCard/VIN



You're right, I checked mine and it is a sticker that is nearly peeled off.

I thought I recognized the German word: fahrgestell.

It means frame/chassis.



That's a good idea...just use the existing holes and re-rivet. Now, what happens to the end pieces that will jingle in the frame? Can they come out the neck of the frame? (I've never torn down a bike to the frame so that's why I ask


Ed
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the frame would have to be completely stripped prior to powder coating, including the trees and head stock, so the neck would be "open". rivet the plate back on before reassembling the headstock....
 
With my fingertips I can feel the rivet ends from the inside of the neck. I have to make some hunting for informations. I will take some better pics...
 
Been There, Done That,,..

Been There, Done That,,..

I've had the same issue, no problem.
Just put masking tape over the Tag.
Let the Operator Static Spray the Frame.
Then Peel Off the Tape before Cooking.
The Spray Operator can peel the tape Off when he's done, before it goes into Oven.
Leave a small extended edge of tape to grab for easy Peel Off.
Looks fine.
I've used the same Technique to have Aluminum Hubs Bead Blasted and Clear Coated at a Wheel Shop.
 
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I figured As Much

I figured As Much

Agemax said:
the frame would have to be completely stripped prior to powder coating, including the trees and head stock, so the neck would be "open". rivet the plate back on before reassembling the headstock....
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Complete tear-down with the neck gutted. Lots of interesting points about this process. You guys know your stuff! :cool:





Ed
 
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