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DATE: November 7, 1999
QUESTION: What Carbs Am I Looking For? - 1981 GS1100EX
I understand that flat-slide carbs from a "stock GSXR"
will plug right in to my GS1100 intake mainfolds/head to add some
serious POP to my old dinosaur. Does anybody out there know just
which year(s) and model(s) (750 or 1100) will work for this
transplant? If there are several options, which ones work best? How
about jetting info? NEED A LITTLE HELP HERE. My bike has Wiseco
1134cc slugs, stock head & cams, and a V&H 4/1 pipe. I'm
guessing that K&N pods are the way to go with this setup. Thanks
if you can help. This site is THE BEST! GS'S FOREVER!
RIDER: Ted Radke
REPLY: Scott Horner
We have found that these flatslide CV's give the GS a strong low
end shot in the butt. Any year GSX-R 1100 or 750 will work up to 92.
I suggest 89 or newer. You will have to run individual filters on
them. The 36 mm seem to work the best on a mild motor. The 36's are
more plentiful, and cheaper than the 38 mm of the 750. You will need
a jet kit also, it will save you a bunch of time. I have a few sets
if you need one.
DATE: November 7, 1999
QUESTION: Road racing?? - 1979 GS1000EN
I bought a '79 GS1000EN 'rat' with the intentions of building a
road race bike. It's completely torn down, every last nut and bolt,
to a bare frame on the bench. Falicon did the crank, and I'm putting
in a Wiseco 1085 kit, cams, carbs, etc. Horsepower's great, but you
go nowhere if it doesn't handle. I got a magazine article from 1979
analyzing Wes Cooley's bike, Looks like pretty extensive frame and
suspension work had to be done. Am I nuts, or is this project going
to break the bank and still not be competitive against say a Ducati
900? Or will gobs of horsepower on the straights have to even things
out?? Can those thrilling days of yesteryear live again? Or do I
need Pops Yoshimura on the payroll? Open to suggestions...
RIDER: Rick Patrolia
REPLY: Joe Lanfrankie
I have pursued the path that you're on and have a few comments.
My '78 GS1000 engine has a Falicon crank, Wiseco 1086 kit, cams,
porting, smoothbores, Yoshi header, etc. all carefully assembled by
a good builder and is everything that I hoped it would be.
The frame was powder coated without any modification.
The suspension was fitted with a GS1100 aluminum swingarm, Fox
shocks, and Progressive springs. Wider rims allow modern tires. The
front brakes have EBC rotors and DP pads with stainless lines. This
winter the forks will get a thorough rebuild with Gold Valves and
Shamban bushings and seals.
Superbike bend bars, a custom cutdown seat (a necessity as the
acceleration is much easier to handle with some butt pocket to keep
me from sliding off the back), quarter turn throttle, and rearsets
have made the riding position just right. The stock pegs are too far
forward for body steering.
This project has consumed more than enough cash to buy a good
used 900SS or a new 600 sportbike.
A recent day at Seattle International Raceway with Reg
Pridmore's CLASS school was quite enlightening. The GS will out drag
a Yamaha R6 or a Honda Superhawk down the main straight, much to my
amusement and their dismay. Hayabusas and R1s blow right past me.
At the end of the straight turn one leaves the drag strip
portion with a ripple in the pavement transition. At about 135 or
140 indicated the bike is flat out terrifying hitting those ripples
leaned over. The bars start to twitch - not a full tank slapper, but
enough to let you know it's time to rethink the line (and tighten up
my shorts). The rest of the track is fun, but the GS is no
competition for a modern sportbike in tight turns especially if the
pavement is rough. Smooth roads with big sweepers are fast and
comfortable if steered with the knees as Reg teaches. Horsing the
handlebars around counter steering twists up the frame and starts
the kind of oscillations that make the bike very scary. This makes
sense as Reg learned to race on this vintage of bike.
Hard braking deflects the skinny forks enough to make a
noticeable spring back if the brakes are let off too quickly. Best
not to try trail braking into the turns, get all of the braking done
upright and get on the throttle as the bike is leaned over. The
abrupt nature of the smoothbore carbs throttle response make this
even more important.
If you are serious about racing look into the class that you
will be in. Modified over 1000cc will probably put you up against
bikes like the Yamaha R1 and Kawasaki ZX9-R, both of which bone
stock have significant weight and horsepower advantages over the
most radically modified twenty year old muscle bike.
A neighbor of mine just bought a "totaled" Honda
CBR600 with less than 2000 miles at auction. The original purchaser
slow speed low sided and the bike slid under a parked car, breaking
every piece of plastic in the bodywork but causing no mechanical
damage. The guy figures that with pattern bodywork, brake lines,
safety wiring, and extra sticky tires he will have less than $3000
into a bike that fits into a couple of racing classes, is stone ax
reliable, and will have no problem turning lap times lower than my
Suzuki. If he pushes too hard and crashes it (what Keith Code calls
"Road testing your leathers") repairs will be relatively
easy. Think of the cost of replacing the right side engine covers,
ignition, and crankshaft on your GS after a long slide. Case guards
hit the road much too soon for fast riding.
I love riding the my Suzuki - the engine is more fun than is
legal, it sounds glorious at full throttle and enough RPM to get the
cams working, it's reliable, it's easy to work on, and it always has
a couple of guys peering at it when I take it to Vintage Motorcycle
Enthusiasts meetings. It's the bike I wanted back before I had the
money to own it. Modern bikes are much less challenging to ride
fast, but to me not as entertaining. The horsepower will let me
surprise other riders and keep up with almost any sane person until
the road gets too twisty and rough.
Get ahold of a copy of Kevin Cameron's "Sport Bike
Performance Handbook". It helped me plan the work and to get
results that I'm very happy with.
Any chance I can get a copy of that article on Cooley's bike?
DATE: September 6, 1999
QUESTION: Cam timing - 1981 GS1100E
I have recently advanced my cams by 3 degrees to bring down the
power band to a lower rpm. I have heard that on old Kawasaki's that
the intake should be advanced 5 degrees and exhaust retarded 2
degrees. What is the proper way to do this and what is the result in
regards to each cam? Should I be retarding my exhaust cam?
RIDER: Dave Lambe
REPLY: Scott Horner
We have found the 107 intake and exhaust for street/strip use on
the GS motors as a great set up. If you want to gain bottom end
torque, advance the exhaust cam by 2 degrees from stock. Good Luck.
DATE: August 21, 1999
QUESTION: Performance ratings wanted - 1979 GS1000E
I have a 1979 GS1000E that I recently purchased in very good
condition. I was interested in finding out the horsepower rating and
torque rating. I would really appreciate an answer thank you very
much Dean.
RIDER: Dean Christian Nolde
REPLY: Joe Lanfrankie
The August '99 issue of Classic Bike magazine has a ride report
on a '78 GS1000E. The statistics page says:
87 bhp (claimed)
61.3 lb-ft (claimed)
135 mph top speed (claimed)
0 to 60 mph in 3.5 secs (claimed)
DATE: August 21, 1999
QUESTION: Engine swap - 1978 GS750E
Would a GS1000 engine fit into a 1978 GS750 frame? If it does,
would the handling be sacrificed? Thanks, Paul.
RIDER: Paul Sokolovas
REPLY: Jordan Rodier
Yes, it will fit. You will have to fabricate new rear and bottom
engine mounts but the rest is relatively easy. I don't know about
stock suspension, I had previously mounted the front end from a GSXR
and the combination seems to work well ( lots of go and lots of
stop).
DATE: August 8, 1999
QUESTION: Ignition advance governor - 1982 GSX1100EZ
Does the spring in the advance governor get weaker in time thus
not providing the accurate timing? While having dinner I thought
about and without opening the signal generator cover assumed that it
has a spring. If the weakening happens should I replace it with the
stock one, as I'm looking into Dyna S ignition and coils?
RIDER: Luka Bastic
REPLY: Frank Perreault
Yes, the springs can weaken over time. That's why everyone
one has gone to pure electronic ignition systems. If you're
looking at going with the Dyna S ignition I would say that that is a
great move. I wouldn't bother with the stock system.
REPLY: Scott Horner
The Dyna S is the way to go for trouble free ignition components,
but it still utilizes the stock spring type advance mechanism.
DATE: June 18, 1999
QUESTION: Correct gearing? - 1982 GS1100GL
When I am riding on level roads @ 55 to 60 mph my RPM is about
4000. It seems rather fast to me, what should my RPM be at that
speed? Could someone have changed the factory gears? It has more
bottom end speed than I will ever need and I would like to bring
down the RPM to reduce some of the vibration if possible.
Suggestions??
RIDER: Michael Hendricks
REPLY: Bill Patten
That engine speed is correct for that speed. Bikes of that era
were geared to get good quarter mile times for the magazines. The
only easy change is to put a 17 inch rear wheel from an 850 or 1100
G model. That will drop engine speed at 60 to about 3800.
REPLY: Chris Skanderup
Sounds right to me. I've got a 650 that revs a grand higher than
yours, and >my father-in-law has a 1000 shafty that turns same as
yours. Because your >bike is a shafty, you don't have much of an
alternative other than maybe >higher profile tires (if you can
find the right size).
DATE: June 29, 1999
QUESTION: Tuning 1979 GS1000S
I have a 79 GS1000s,(the one with flat slide carbs) and will be
taking the head off soon to change the valve seals. It has a K&N
filter in the original air box, and a Marving 4to1 race pipe,
otherwise it's standard. I had it on a dyno last week and it made 71
BHP. Does anybody have any suggestions as to simple effective ways
of tuning the engine to increase the power? Does porting/flowing the
head do much? What should I expect to make at the back wheel? I
would like to enter sprint races so a good make over would be
useful. Thanks Chris (Isle of Man)
RIDER: Chris Kirk
REPLY: Joe Lanfrankie
The ports in the GS1000 motor are old fashioned poor
quality casting, very rough and cobby, so substantial power can be
gained by porting IF the person knows what they're doing. This
skilled hand workmanship is expensive, and only pays off if the rest
of the fuel/air system (carbs, jetting, cams, etc.) is improved to
match.
Before you do anything get a hold of a copy of Kevin Cameron's
"Sportbike Performance Handbook", available from Barnes
and Noble or Amazon.com. Read it until you understand it before you
do anything to "improve" that wonderful bike. Then
consider leaving the GS as a clean stock classic, and getting
another bike to race.
My '78 GS1000 has an open checkbook near full race motor
(bored, welded crank, cams, ported, smoothbores, electronic
ignition, header, etc.) with wider rims and modern sticky rubber,
and frankly the old wimbly frame scares the bejesus out of me when I
push it hard.
DATE: May 21, 1999
QUESTION: Drag Racing - 1982 GS850
I want to convert a 1982 GS850 into a drag bike (no street use).
What is the viability of using a shaft driven bike for this purpose?
I'd welcome any hints or advice on using the 850 for drag racing.
RIDER: Jeff Chiyka
REPLY: Malcolm Evans
Forget it man - the extra weight will just not make it
competitive, there are no big bore kits available and very limited
performance parts.
The 850 was created as a tourer, over bored from the 750 to
compensate for the extra weight of the shaft drive - for proof, the
850 top end will fit onto the 750 bottom end.
Buy a GSX 11 instead.... an EFE (GS 1150) for ultimate
performance!
DATE: September 27, 1998
QUESTION: Is this really a turbo? - 1983 GS450T
My brother recently purchased a l983 Suzuki GS 450 T. It is in
mint condition with low, low mileage. The manufactuer's wind screen
indicates that this model is a turbo. What can you tell us about the
turbo model and how can we tell if in fact it is a turbo model?
Thank you.
RIDER: Heather Murphy
REPLY: Zack Schultz
Suzuki only made a Turbo in 650 flavor. Sounds like someone used
an XN85 (that's the model designation) windscreen. However, in the
unlikely event that a turbo has been retro-fitted, they require
rather distinctive plumbing. The exhaust will feed off all cylinders
to a central pipe which in turn feeds the turbo. From there, if you
look at the output side, there will be the muffler plumbing on one
half, and a pipe feeding into the carbs on the other. There will
also be a distinctive whine coming out the exhaust due to the high
rpm's of the turbo unit. Somewhere there will be a boost gauge -
usually on the dash, put if it's a home built, no telling.
DATE: September 27, 1998
QUESTION: Performance info needed - 1983 GS550
I have a 83/84 GS 550 es that I am racing in AMA/CCS sportsman
competition here in Fla. Do you know of any place that I can get
tech tips for engine updates, help on those miserable dualthroat
carbs, cam degreeing numbers, performance parts availability, etc.?
I can find listings for headers, jetkits, and such, but I would like
to know what was done to these bikes (the 550tscc)back when they
were new. Do you know if Yoshimura, or Yoshima, ever fiddled with
them? Any help that you can give me would be GREATLY appreciated!
I have the chassis working pretty well at present, with Katana
forks, brakes, and wheels, and GSXR shock/w modified linkage. I
would like a little more guts in the engine though. At present the
carbs are set up with 118 mains, 37.5 pilots @2-3/4 turns out,and
sc15 needles. I'm running a yoshi header, a k&n filter, and
undercut trans. I have the ignition advanced 4deg.On the top end
it's good for about 125mph as geared. But I would like more grunt in
the mid-range. I realize this is all pretty confusing, but if you
have any insights, I would sure be interested in hearing them.
RIDER: David Starling
REPLY: Zack Schultz
I have an 84 GS550 myself. I'll start with your last comment
first. These things were supposedly good for 125 new. I saw this
myself (indicated) several times. And I'm glad someone is
campaigning one. Tuning the carbs. Think of them as siamesed singles
and the problems minimize. Everything is separate except the float
bowls. Hence, the bowls are undersized. Make sure that there is
enough fuel flowing to feed the motor.
Kevin Cameron once wrote that some buzzy engines (and this
qualifies0 have trouble with fuel frothing at sustained high R's
(like Daytona). Foam doesn't lend itself to accurate jetting. Adding
weight to the carb dampens it's vibration and frothing is
eliminated. I think he said something about a pound of welding rod
wrapped around the float bowl. I did speak to someone a few years
back in the Galveston area that was racing one of these. I don't
keep up on the class rules, but he was using 600 Hurricane pistons
(63 mm) in the engine. These are the same size that Wiseco was using
in their big bore kits, so there's metal to go that far over (+3mm).
Good luck and pass along results.
DATE: September 27, 1998
QUESTION: More power wanted - 1979 GS750L
First, you guys are doing a wonderful job with the site. Now down
to business.
I have a 79 GS750L and although I love the way it runs, I do a
lot of two up riding so I would like some more juice to it. My
question is this....I am going to make carb mods and put on a Vance
& Hines pipe. As far as the carb mods go, would I get more
performance from a Stage 1 jet kit on the 26mm carbs I currently
have or would I be wiser to change over to bigger carbs, say ones
from a 78 GS1000? How big are the carbs on the 1000? Am I looking at
more frustration with the kit or the whole new carbs? Are the carbs
from the 1000 bolt ons or am I looking at serious problems in
getting them to fit? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks and keep up the great work with the site!
RIDER: Nate Dickerson
REPLY: Zack Schultz
I'd recommend getting the carb kit for the stock units with a
different pipe. Changing to the bigger carbs would be a real jetting
nightmare, and to be honest, unless you are doing something to the
engine to pump a WHOLE lot more air thru, the stock ones will do a
splendid job.
DATE: September 26, 1998
QUESTION: Funky ignition at high revs - 1979 GS550E
In 1981 I bought a 1979 GS550E. It’s rusty, it’s got some
problems over that 17 years I use it (but only 81.000 km/50.000
miles), but it is still running and I’m fond of it.
Since a short while I experience problems with the ignition, but
it occurs only with hot engine. After warming up the engine,
everything seems to be fine for a while. Engine can be revved up to
what it is designed for, up to 10.000 rpm seem to be ok if you want
to push it hard.
When it’s getting hot, things change. Up to some 5.500 rev’s
everything still seems ok, then interrupts on detonation begin and
increase the more I rev it. I can’t exactly identify, but I think
the phenomenon is spread over at least 2 cylinders. I can rev up to
some 8000 or 9000 rev’s, but it’s not worth it: There is no
increase in power due to interrupts in ignition. The contact points
look good and are quite new, as well as the timing. Spark plugs have
some 2000 - 3000 km, which is not much. Do you have any idea to find
out what it is, without giving it into service ? Thanks for help
RIDER: Ralf Seyer
REPLY: Chris Hunter
I have a similar problem on my 1100. It is caused by a burnt
valve. Basically one (or two if it's two cylinders misfiring) of the
exhaust valves is not closing fully. Adjust the valve clearances and
then have a compression test/leak down done.
DATE: September 26, 1998
QUESTION: How to get more speed - 1982 GS850GL
What do you suggest I do to speed up my 1982 GS850GL with 25k
miles on it?
RIDER: David Hutchinson
REPLY: Michael Saxon
Jack it up and drive a GS1100 under it.
But seriously, a stock GS850 in good shape should make more
than adequate power given its handling characteristics. If you are
unhappy with the power output, the first thing to do is check
compression and do a leakdown test. If compression is within spec,
you do have some options. 850s respond very well to jetting changes,
especially if done in concert with pipe changes. If you do replace
the stock pipes, you will need to increase the main jets at least
one size, and you will probably want to raise the needles. I have
heard good things about the Dynojet kit, although I have not found
it necessary to rejet my bike (although I did richen the idle
mixtures to improve drivability - the bike now pulls smoothly in all
gears from 1000 rpm). KEEP THE AIRBOX. Removing the airbox will
create all sorts of exciting flat spots in your torque curve. The
stock air filter is a very nice oiled-foam unit, although you could
replace it with a UNI element. Good Luck!
REPLY: Frank Perreault
See various articles in the Q&A-Fuel/Exhaust and Q&A
Performance sections about the "Keep the airbox"
comment. There seems to be a bit of controversy concerning
this issue.
DATE: August 24, 1998
QUESTION: How to do a wheel alignment
I have a 1980 GSX 1100 ET and a 1981 GS 1100 LT How do I go about
aligning the wheels? (all bearings have been renewed) Clymer shows
that I can sight along the drive chain is there a more accurate way
of rigging the bike?
RIDER: Bruce Roy
REPLY: Frank Perreault
Bruce answered his own question. This is how to do an
accurate wheel alignment! In fact, it is the method that the
lots of race teams, both motorcycle and stock car use.
REPLY: Bruce Roy
I sat the bike on its center stand with the seat removed and
with the assistance of a small floor jack and placing a spirit level
across the frame (several places) I leveled the bike laterally. By
placing the spirit level vertically (it has a vertical and
horizontal bubble) against one of the front brake discs you can find
a definite central position (thanks to the steering head angle), the
front wheel is now aligned straight with the frame I then ran a
string line suspended between two stable stands (actually one was my
garage door and the other was the frame of my portable compressor)
at an uninterfered distance the full length of the bike at roughly
the same height as the axles and using an accurate ruler a bit of
juggling and some patience I aligned the string parallel with the
beads (front and rear) of the front wheel then took measurements
against the rear wheel beads and as I suspected the front of the
rear wheel was around 7 mm out compared to the back of the wheel I
adjusted this out and (the swingarm marks are about 1/2 division
different now) and the bike road tested like a new one. Its a simple
task that makes a heck of a lot of difference to the bikes handling
and all is needed is a string line, a builders spirit level and an
accurate ruler.
DATE: July 13, 1998
QUESTION: Wheel swap - 1983 GS1100E
Can someone answer this question? I have a 1983 GS1100E I'm
thinking of buying a rim off a 1150 I understand the modification's
needed. This will allow me to run a larger back tire . Does the 1150
use the same size front wheel as my 1100 or is it the same using the
larger back wheel? How does the bike handle with a larger wheel?
RIDER: Brian Underwood
REPLY: Scott Horner
The GS 1150 had two wheel sizes for the front and rear. For the
'83 California model ('84 for the rest of the country) the sizes
were 2.50X16 front, 3.00X17 rear. All other years/models were riding
on 2.75X16 front and 3.50X17 rear. If you did put the 16" front
wheel on the '83 1100 you would notice considerably quicker
steering. The rotors are different sizes, your caliper mounts would
need to be changed also. The speedo drive unit is interchangeable,
and you would need to find a fender substitution. The 1100 looks a
little funky when lowered that much. The 1150 fender does not fit
(too wide). As far as adverse handling characteristic from applying
a 1" wider wheel, you really won't notice a change. Good Luck!
DATE: May 25, 1998
QUESTION: Bunches of performance questions - 1983 GS1100G
I have a 1983 GS1100G with about 10K on it. I'm wanting to
modify the stock air box to utilize ram-air technology. I'd be
doing this homemade. Or would I be better of using individual
K&N filters? I would also like to put a new exhaust system
on it. What would these mods. do to the performance of the
bike. Would the carbs (Mikuni CV) need to be re-jetted?
Why/why not, what does this do and how would I know what size jets
to purchase. Would any one of the mods. by itself necessitate
carb jetting, could I get by without re-jetting?
I have also heard that adding heavier oil to the forks enhances
handling, truth or myth?
I'm not sure how many valves per cylinder. I would be
interested in any ideas anyone has for squeezing as much power out
of this muscle machine as possible on a tight budget. I also
like to do most of the work myself. Besides isn't that the joy
of it?
Does anyone know where to get stock specifications for this bike
(bhp, compression, torque)?
RIDER: Adam Raker
REPLY: Frank Perreault
Well, you're sort of behind the rock and a hard place if your
looking for tons of horsepower without spending money. Like
the racers say, "Speed costs money!".
I'm not sure what you mean about ram-air. While a
K&N increases air flow to the carbs, it certainly isn't
'Ram-Air'. Ram-Air is accomplished through scoops and
hoses. Because of the speeds necessary to make it work,
turbocharging and supercharging came about. Neither is
cheap.
If you go to K&N's you should replace the exhaust also in
order to take advantage of the freer breathing. And yes, you
will have to rejet. As for sizes, you can get a DynoJet kit
which includes the correct jets. With that you do the work,
but you get all the pieces lessening the chances of having to
experiment with jet sizes.
Fork oil viscosity is dependent on your style of riding, the
quality of the road, the air temperature and the suspension
itself. You would have to buy the various oil types and try
them out yourself. Just remember that fork oil measurements
are extremely critical when trying to figure this out.
4 valves per cylinder. K&N's along with a new
exhaust will give you the cheapest improvement but it still isn't
cheap. K&N's are about $120 for 4 and an exhaust will go
for $250 - $500.
No idea on the stock specs.
REPLY: Adam Raker
Thank you for your reply to my questions. To clarify what I
meant by ram-air, I was going to modify the airbox and route hoses
from the front of the bike into the airbox. Just by looking at the
stock airbox the "channel" that the air is pulled through
seems pretty small to me. I plan on keeping this bike a long time
and hopefully be able to "afford more power". I'm also
looking into adding an Accel Ignition Kit. About the exhaust, would
I be able to put a canister on it with minimal mods. or am I stuck
with a megaphone. This may be a dumb one, but are V&H megaphones
better than stock?
REPLY: Frank Perreault
In order for ram-air to be effective you would need to be going
90MPH all the time to make it work. I think it's cheaper going
to K&N filters than paying bail money. Therefore, in my
opinion, ram-air is a useless proposition for a street
bike. Yes, racing megaphones are better than stock but
remember it usually involves rejetting carbs and going to K&N
filters. As for whether they'll fit your bike, talk to the
company selling them. You'll probably need to measure you
pipes before hand.
DATE: May 2, 1998
QUESTION: Handling problems - 1982
GS1000G
I have recently acquired a 1982/3 GS1000G
in excellent condition,18000km. My previous riding experience
involved scratching on 250/350cc two strokes so the handling of the
GS feels a little strange. One aspect alarms me ,and it is the
tendency for the front end to shake for no apparent reason
especially if one removes ones hands from the bars, the proverbial
"tankslapper" which I believe was a problem with early
British bikes. Also, on leaning into tightish corners the impression
is that the bike does not steer too well. Are these handling
characteristics normal for these bigger heavier bikes or might I
have a problem with head bearings etc.I have checked tyre pressures
and equalized fork pressures at 15psi. Any owners experiences would
be appreciated.
RIDER: Alan Dee
REPLY: Frank Perreault
There is going to be a BIG difference between the handling of a
450 pound bike and a 580 pound bike. There will also be a big
difference between a 1981 GS1100 and a 1997 GSX1100. That is
the nature of the beast. Yes, the 1000 will definitely feel
like a log compared to more nimble and smaller 250cc bike.
As for the wobble, this shouldn't happen. The common
causes of this are slop in the steering stem adjustment, bent rims,
out of balance tires or tires that are not lined up straight with
one another.
DATE: April 10, 1998
QUESTION: Lower bar conversion for a GS850G
I'd like to switch to lower bars on my 1983 GS850G. Has anyone
done this? I'd like to use stock Suzuki parts, handlebars, cable ,
brake lines if possible. Any advice would be appreciated.
RIDER: Lou Veltri
REPLY: Frank Perreault
I've replaced my bars with a style called "BMW
bars". These place your hands lower yet retain the use of
all the original cables. Find yourself a bike shop that sells
handlebars and will hopefully allow you to at least lay them on top
of your existing bars to try them out.
DATE: April 10, 1998
QUESTION: High speed wobble
I have an 83 GS650GD with 19,000 K. The bike has run just great.
However, starting at around 85 MPH the front end starts
to wobble back and forth. It gets really unstable. Judging from the
tach I should be able to hit 120 MPH. It seems rock solid at lower
speeds but as you hit 85 it gets down right scary! I have new
Dunlop K591 sports on the front and rear and they are great. I know
the bike isn't up to par with the newer bikes but I don't
think this is normal. I was thinking maybe a fork brace?
Any advice would be much appreciated.
RIDER: Wilbur Thompson
REPLY: Frank Perreault
This be caused for 2 reasons - out of balance tires or
misaligned tires. As for the out of balance condition find a
bike shop that can do a spin balance on the tires. They
are hard to find but worth the trouble since a spin is more
accurate. Now for the misalignment of the tires - Do not
use the marks on the swing arm to set the alignment of the rear
wheel. You need to string the tires or use some other method
to insure that the rear tire is perpendicular with the frame and the
front wheel.
DATE: March 22, 1998
QUESTION: More GS1000 questions
I just purchased a 1979 GS1000E with 55,000 miles on it for
$550.00 - It runs well aside from being cold-blooded and running
rich. It came with K&N filters [no airbox] and an aftermarket
header. Unfortunately, the header has a small hole at the 4 to 1
convergence point which results in backfiring on downshift. So I
have a couple of questions:
1.) Does anyone know of an aftermarket header for this bike,
aside from the standard megaphone setup offered by Kerker?
2.) Does anyone have or know of a manual for this model
bike?
The only one I can find in print is for the shaft driven GS1000
and Amazon.com is searching for an out of print manual for my
bike, but I'm anxious to get wrenching - the previous owner didn't
even know what kind of valve adjustment the bike took, so I'm
dubious about riding it until I go through the engine.
RIDER: Nicholas Reisen
REPLY: Ryan Biggs
I'm afraid I don't know enough to help you with your exhaust
questions (I just got my '79 GS1000E a few weeks ago), but I do know
of a manual for it. Haynes makes one for the '77 to '79 chain drive
GS1000s. It's not specifically for the E model, and it's not the
best manual I've ever seen, but the vast majority of its insights
are applicable to the '79 E. I found a copy in my local bike parts
shop, so hopefully you'll be able to find one easily as well.
DATE: February 15, 1998
QUESTION: Speedometer info for a GS1100E
I was the proud owner of a 1980 GS1100E in 1980. I sold the
motorcycle in 1985. I have been bitten by the bug again and have
just recently bought two GS Suzuki motorcycles. I now have a 1980
GS850G and a 1982 GS1100GK. They are both great motorcycles. The
problem is that I want to buy a GS1100E like I used to have. My
question, is there a European or Japanese speedometer available that
fits the original speedo housing and shows the speed above 85 MPH.
If so do you know the part numbers I need to make this conversion
once I buy my GS1100E. That 85 MPH speedo really was a bad idea on
such a fantastic motorcycle.
RIDER: Chip Howell
REPLY: Bill Chandler
The speedo for the 83 model GS1100ED goes to 140MPH. The US law
(forcing auto and bike manufacturers to limit speedo's to 85MPH) was
repealed in 82 so the 83 model bikes had the "better"
speedo. I own an 82 model (GS1100EZ) and did not like this 85
limit. I found a guy scrapping out his 83 and acquired the
instrument cluster. Removing the speedo was straight forward,
however you need to be very careful with the wiring, lights and
such. I also reposition the OD to reflect the mileage on the
current unit. This was a bit of a pain, but I could move
the numbers by using a paper clip, just be careful!! The
result is OEM look with 140MPH!! Too cool.
I have a "Ian Smith" report on the Suzuki GS1100 series
bikes. This report is a compilation of various Motorcycle mag
articles published in the early 80's. The report show the 80,
81, 82 and 83 models. The instrument cluster for the 80 and 81
models seem identical. The cluster for the 82 model is very
different. The 83 model is the SAME at the 82 model (except the
higher reading speedo).
I'm copying this reply to Frank (another site editor who owns an 81
GS1100) for his input. Hope this helps'.
REPLY: Frank Perreault
If my memory serves me right, I believe that Bill is correct on
this. I remember wanting to change my 81 speedo for an 83 and
found out it wouldn't fit.
DATE: January 30, 1998
QUESTION: 650/1100 engine swap
Will an 1100 motor fit in a 81 GS650G frame?
RIDER: Marty Palmer
REPLY: Frank Perreault
I'm almost positive that it wouldn't fit. Even if you
could do it you wouldn't want to., This is due to the negative
and possible dangerous effects the horsepower of an 1100 engine
would have to the 650 frame and suspension.
DATE: November 4, 1997
QUESTION: Drag racing
I want to start drag racing my GS 1100 in the street ET class.
what are some of the modifications that I will have to do.
RIDER: J. E. Small
REPLY: Frank Perreault
You are going to need to take a trip to the track that you plan
on racing at and get a rulebook. It doesn't make sense to got
through investing $$$ if what your doing will end up being illegal
for that division. So get the book and it should tell you what you
can or can't do, legally.
REPLY: Suz1200@aol.com
Hi. Just found your page yesterday. Tried to respond to this
person and the mail was returned. So, I'll tell you and maybe you
can post it. I drag my street GS1100EZ and have helped build my
friends ET. So, I've learned the $$ hard way what this bike needs
for racing.
First, the clutch basket needs to be reinforced. They are weak in
stock form, my friends bike even had a new Suz unit when he bought
it because the dealer sold a Katana that blew it's basket on the way
home! So they cannibalized his and installed a new unit when it
arrived. It only lasted a year before it too broke. Mine was cracked
upon inspection, so I got lucky. Now I have a reinforced one. The
procedure entails acquiring a rebuild kit from Falicon. This kit
includes new rivets, hd springs, and a steel backing plate. The
rivets are welded in when assembled. The basic weakness of the
design is the helical-cut primary drive. This produces a side force
on the clutch. When modifying the motor for serious power (over
160hp) it's necessary to convert to a straight-cut primary drive to
prevent disaster.
Next comes the roller crank. Since it's a pressed-together multi
piece item, it can shift out of phase. Even the 83 model, which had
a factory welded crank, can go out because the factory job isn't as
thorough as a race shop is. I know some of the bikes were repaired
under warranty, but some weren't, like mine. It was twisted when I
bought the bike, and just got worse till I tore the motor down and
had the crank trued and welded. To see if this has been done, remove
the clutch basket and check the crank cheek by the primary gear. The
weld material should be evident.
Another must-have item for racing a GS is a rev limiter. These are
inexpensive at $60 from Dyna electronics. The bike does not have one
from the factory, and a missed shift or powershift that goes wrong
can zing the engine to high rpm. If an alternator rotor is used, the
limit must be set no higher than 11000 RPM. This is because the
rotor end of the crank can break with the weight of the rotor out
there. Feel free to e-mail me to discuss any details.
DATE: July 21, 1996
QUESTION: Top Speed 850L
I own a 1980 GS850GL. In 5th gear at about 5500 RPM, the bike
tops out at about 68-70 MPH. When I give it more throttle, it bogs
down. Down shifting to 4th doesn't help - it just wont go any
faster. I've cleaned the jets and the valve clearance was OK. Would
changing jet sizes help or is this top speed for this model? Thanks!
RIDER: Stan Chapman
REPLY: Peter Huppertz
No... a fine 850 should easily do something like 110mph. Mine (a
GS850GT) does approx. 120mph at 8500rpm. Look at the spark plugs to
get an idea of what's going on. Black? probably too rich, or else
ignition trouble. From what I hear, I'd experiment with the jetting
first. I don't know where you're from, but if you live at a high
altitude, the standard-jetted engine running too rich is not
uncommon (the air is thinner), although I doubt whether it would
make such a difference. If it's not the jetting, check the ignition
(do you have the mechanic points ignition or the transistor version?
How to tell? if you have a kick starter, you almost certainly have
standard ignition; on the newer engines the kick starter was
dropped). |