When do you expect ev bikes to become practical road bikes.

[Suzukian]

wyly, you'll be 65 in what seems like 2 years to you. We're not grumpy, heck, with the tooling I own and my knowledge of electronics, and CAD, I could rebuild a Prious Battery for $1700 bucks, and make a hybrid off of that. Why bother though. Those cars use batteries that pollute the world, cause untold damage to 3rd world countries digging up the rare earth minerals. You'll catch up soon enough, and will have seen it all before, and the crock of sh*t it's brewing in..

[850 Combat]

On a tour 11 years ago, we din a 600 mile day first day then 2 more later after a broken front wheel caused a 2 1/2 day delay we did 2 back to back 600 mile days. 3 of the bikes, a 1983 GS1100G and two GS850Gs, easily handled the 600 mile days. Those were Unfaired bikes and we avoided Interstate highways because they suck.

The 1100G and one of the 850Gs were $1200 or under and either delivered to the house or I took a train to get it and ride it back home. ( the 1100; one 850 was $600 delivered to the driveway)

This was a great tour. First, an electric bike would have to do it. Second, you who asked the question can pick the day but I don't travel with commerce. The back of trucks I've seen already.

A current E bike can't do that 10 year trip at all.

By the way, a GS 850 -1100G is very rideable. We traveled under 70 mph on non interstates almost exclusively including back to back 600 mile days. I sold the Concours and went back to a GS1000G after the trip. Much happier.

[wyly]

wyly, you'll be 65 in what seems like 2 years to you. We're not grumpy, heck, with the tooling I own and my knowledge of electronics, and CAD, I could rebuild a Prious Battery for $1700 bucks, and make a hybrid off of that. Why bother though. Those cars use batteries that pollute the world, cause untold damage to 3rd world countries digging up the rare earth minerals. You'll catch up soon enough, and will have seen it all before, and the crock of sh*t it's brewing in..

where did you get the idea i'll be 65 in 2 years? I'm 70.

The damage to 3rd world country will never match the damage that's already been done by resource extraction and deforestation, The damage for the coming warming will be measured in trillions of dollars, many of those 3rd world countries become uninhabitable due to heat, drought or rising sea levels. Supplying minerals that can limit the environmental damage is their best hope.

[rphillips]

We will evolve and get there, just not there yet.

[wyly]

Interesting wyly. Just sitting here and punched up these #'s. trying to figure this out. Per Google, Avg. price ICE auto $45K, avg. price EV. auto $61K... cost roughly $16K higher... avg. mi. per $100 in AL (just cause AL popped up first) ICE 1,060mi. vs EV 3.333mi. saying roughly every time drive 3,333K mi. save $200.... $16K extra price divided by the $200 saved every 3,333 mi. driven = 80, 80 X the 3,333mi. to save each $200 = at 266,640 mi. you will have saved the $16K you originally spent.... Did I do that right??? I think so... Also you said "nobody's been forced its better because it's better and practical" I see what you're say'in, but think of this. If the EV's will, and they probably will, be better and more practical, why has Cal. passed a bill making it illegal to sell new ICE autos after 2035? If the newer EV's have got better and more practical by then, why have a law? folks will just buy them because they are better and more practical... No doubt the EV's do just keep evolving and that's good... I keep wondering if, and they may already be, trying to come up with a better way to supply hydrogen for fueling our autos.... Guess we'll all sit back and see what happens....Different but kind'f related, you can look it up last night 9/7/23 a Nissan Leaf caught fire while attached to a charger at the Nissan North headquarters in Franklin TN. firefighters used 45,000 gal. of water for 5 hrs to get it put out.

New technology is always more expensive when introduced, prices will come down. The first big screen tvs were out of reach for us normal people $10k from what I recall, now $500 will do it. First cell phones were also out of reach for most I only new a few people who could afford them, now it seems every kid over 7 has one. The stats just reflect a shortage of entry level ev's which will change as technology improves and manufacturing costs come down. If the Chinese auto makers can get a foothold in the N American the entry level market could change very quickly. AS it is now prices are already low enough to meet my price point around $40K I just haven't see an ev that would meet my requirements, a small pickup.

The 2035 date is universal every industrial country has the same date it's meant for manufacturers not buyers. You want buy an ice in 2036 your free to do so but it won't be from any manufacturer because they'll no longer be building them. I'll sell you my pickup you can drive it until last drop of gas come out of the pumps.

[rphillips]

Correct on most every point, the main thing is the unknown, how quickly will there be something to meet your and everybody else's requirements, where most all of us will be satisfied? Did you see the one last week where the Ford CEO headed cross country in a Ford lightning, said it was a reality check of what customers are going through getting their EVs charged. One stop he made it took him 40 min. to get a 40% charge... the way I took the article he thinks we've got more work to do.... All we have today is what we have today, that's all we can figure on... No doubt things will get better, I'm just not as sure as you seem to be when the EVs will be proven better and more practical enough that most folks will "want" to quit the ICE and go buy an EV. Many are now, just wondering when most folks will jump in.

[Suzukian]

where did you get the idea i'll be 65 in 2 years? I'm 70.

The damage to 3rd world country will never match the damage that's already been done by resource extraction and deforestation, The damage for the coming warming will be measured in trillions of dollars, many of those 3rd world countries become uninhabitable due to heat, drought or rising sea levels. Supplying minerals that can limit the environmental damage is their best hope.

You sound like a whippersnapper to me.

[Suzukian]

I believe if not next year, the year after, F1 cars will be using Synthetic Fuels that do not pollute. Porsche has already developed this, and has sold a container ship's full amount to India so they can study the scaling up. I think ICE engines will be around for a very long time. Bill Gates has developed the technology to pull Gasoline, Kerosene, and Diesel right out of the air in major cities. Kind of ironic when it came out a couple of years ago, he pushed so hard on it, it's still being worked on, nobody seems to know about it.

He is right now developing a process to extract Hydrogen (Carbon Free) underground (Link Below)

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/02/bill-gates-to-strip-c02-from-air-for-clean-fuel/

https://koloma.com/

[ptegsotic]

You're implying fraud...and what would be the point of a deliberate fraud? There's no money to be made claiming a false breakthrough only academic embarrassment and potential careers destroyed.

I'm guessing you missed the part where one of the authors of said research paper is u.n.d.e.r investigation!

you can not make this chit up. haha

[wyly]

I'm guessing you missed the part where one of the authors of said research paper is u.n.d.e.r investigation!

you can not make this chit up. haha

I'm guessing you never read any of what I wrote or just failed to comprehend

[ptegsotic]

I'm guessing you never read any of what I wrote or just failed to comprehend

tell us again ... how solid-state batteries are 'just around the corner' for EV adaptation (it's now 6 - 12 months away according to you, remember? don't be moving those goalposts now, like they will re ICE sales 2035 )

how's the weather up there on Planet Gullible?

[wyly]

Correct on most every point, the main thing is the unknown, how quickly will there be something to meet your and everybody else's requirements, where most all of us will be satisfied? Did you see the one last week where the Ford CEO headed cross country in a Ford lightning, said it was a reality check of what customers are going through getting their EVs charged. One stop he made it took him 40 min. to get a 40% charge... the way I took the article he thinks we've got more work to do.... All we have today is what we have today, that's all we can figure on... No doubt things will get better, I'm just not as sure as you seem to be when the EVs will be proven better and more practical enough that most folks will "want" to quit the ICE and go buy an EV. Many are now, just wondering when most folks will jump in.

Remember when there were different formats for av recordings, tapes, discs of various types and sizes, manufacturers all competing to have the dominant format, all very confusing for us consumers trying to save money by picking the right one, most of those losing formats ended up in in our garages or the landfills. We're going through that again but with ev's imo, plug-in formats, and different battery types. Tesla has won the plugin format with it's NACS, others will use an adapter to access the Tesla format. Battery, I'm guessing SS will win but then there is the still developing Sodium battery system that could sweep even that away.

Ford's current choice of battery will likely be supplanted by solid state batteries, a Chinese battery producer says it has a 15min charge time and aims to to bring even that down 50%. Combined with a SS battery that may achieve 600-700 miles is a even 40 min charge time really a problem, go have lunch and a pee while you wait. How many people ever drive more than 6-700 miles per day, plug it on over night and be fully charged for the next next day's drive.

Like av formats and cel phone formats technology will sort it self out very quickly. I think by 2035 it'll all be done and ICE's will be the domain reserved for cranky old guys and museums.

[wyly]

You sound like a whippersnapper to me.

but cranky as hell, unfortunately I don't have a lawn to chase the neighbours kids off

[Suzukian]

Fortunately, I do, but to be honest, I live on a dead end street, and have a huge field on the side of my property. I don't have a problem with my immediate neighbors kids playing there, I encourage it. Having great neighbors is a wonderful thing. We have some great barbecues together.

[wyly]

tell us again ... how solid-state batteries are 'just around the corner' for EV adaptation (it's now 6 - 12 months away according to you, remember? don't be moving those goalposts now, like they will re ICE sales 2035 )

how's the weather up there on Planet Gullible?

I haven't been wrong yet I'm quite conservative when I post.

Chinese ev manufacturer Nio is taking deliveries of SS batteries this year for EV rental models. Unless there is another ev manufacturer hidings it's SS development Nio will be the 1st.

Your problem is as a Luddite you're still *@%^$*@%^$*@%^$*@%^$ed you were wrong about giving up your hoarse and wagon to the infernal combustion engine. You've got some obvious issues having an adult discussion regarding technology you hate, if you're so easily triggered by new technology you should consider moving on to another thread.