my 750 faster than a new bike?

[t3rmin]

Your buddies should be commended for NOT over extended their riding abilities. Too many young riders are lost this way. I got sucked into that game when I was younger!

True dat. A squid tossed himself and his CBR600 off a cliff yesterday while we were riding around Mt. St. Helens. The crazy thing is we watched those kids go by and just knew they were trouble.

[Road_Clam]

i went for a ride with my friends on monday afternoon. the weather was perfect! about 65 out and little breezy. i hadnt seen these guys since high school and just recently found out they both have bikes. so i called one and asked if they wanted to go for a ride.

well we rode probably about 50-60 miles total.... good long ride on lots of twisty roads....

the roads we were on were actually my old high school bus route, so we all new every curve. these guys were both pretty wild in high school, ryan has a cbr600rr and a lot of experience and brandon has a new gsxr600. we started out riding with those 2 in front and me in the rear, but they were both just cruising along like a couple of newbs.. what the crap???

i got in the back cause i am some what new to street riding and expected these guys to push it a little harder than me, but no. we were on some great twisty roads and neither one pushed his bike at all....

so i passed them both. i was carving it up pretty good in the old 750.. not dangerously but enough that i know my limits and when to let off. i was no where near what i know my bike will do.

i would have to stop every now and then and wait quite a while before these guys caught up. i just dont get it. i spent maybe 1200 getting my bike to where its at, and i love every turn in it!! these guys dropped probably 6k or more into their bikes and neither one wants to enjoy it???

neither bike is modded, and my 750 was pretty easily pulling away from them... i know their top speeds are like 50-60 mph higher, and they can do wheelies all day, but c'mon. i didnt expect my bike to be able to stay anywhere near these guys. it really surprised me.


any way thats the end of my confusion i guess. it just caught me off gaurd how relaxed these guys were on the ride, and how fast my bike actually is.

Your friends are the typicall "posers". They talk all kinds of sportbike techno-bling BS. Their only talk is about what exhaust pipe is the fastest, and sounds the best. Their #1 concern is how much money they spent on an Arai helmet, and their Dianese leathers with knee pucks for the street. When these clowns actually hit the street, they can bang 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in a straight line like a GP racer, but when it comes to cornering skill, braking target fixation, and the physics of conutersteering they are clueless meatsticks. Ask them if they have ever been to an advanced technique riding class, and they comment "no, but i've been ridin' dirt bikes since I was 10 ". Wrong answer

[Jethro]

Fast is also a relative term. I have ridden with some guys that make me feel fast and some guys that make me feel like a snail. Our friend Ernie from CT is a prime example- sure, he has a fast bike, an older CBR 1100. But it's no faster than my FZ1 in the twisties and riding with him usually makes me feel like I'm at my limit- and sometimes beyond.

Then there are guys like Dpep who's pace sure seems slow when you start the day. But when you spend the first 200 miles riding at 9/10ths dragging knees and peg feelers and just after lunch you are totally spent, Dpep keeps that constant semi-fast pace all day no matter how long that day is. As Skip once pointed out and I experienced on our Cabot trail adventure, that old bastard on his 850g- by mid day I'm on my liter bike saying "Please just slow down! I can't keep up!"

[Greg O.]

If you want to do some interesting comparisons, look at the horse power ratings for our old GS's and compare that with the new V twin cruisers you see running up and down the roads these days. Depending on what sorce you read, a GS 750 makes about 72 HP. A Suzuki intruder 1400 is rated about the same, of course at a much lower rpm, and the 1400 makes a ton of torque off the line. Apples and oragnes really, but fun to compare.

Greg O.

[Steve]

they probably are faster and just dont know how to handle their bikes.

i was really surprised cause ryan did a lot of riding in high school and should have a fair amount more skill than i do.

Ask them if they have ever been to an advanced technique riding class, and they comment "no, bit i've been ridin' dirt bikes since I was 10 ".

I heard it said at the last ERC I attended, "Unless you have been back for more training, you don't have 20 years of experience. What you have is ONE year of experience and 19 years of repeating the same mistakes." :shock:

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[Billy_Oliver880]

I was out riding last friday. I decided to take a new route. I went up over Wild Cat mountain. It is loaded with some good twisties. Anyway I stopped at the top of the hill to take some pictures and take a rest. Anyway I look over and see a newer triumph come up the hill and fly by. I was like ok...I won't even have a chance to catch up to this one. I am on my intruder of course. Well I finish putting my camera away and fire my bike up and take off. I was just minding my own business going through the turns when I came up on this bike. I was stuck behind this guy for the last few turns on the mountain and then when he hit the straights he gassed it and pulled away. I could not for the life of me figure out why he was babying that bike...looked like it just snort right through those turns.

[earlfor]

I will guess a Hayabusa will go quite a bit more than 85 mph in 1st gear. :-)
A while back, I was curious what the speed of my 929 would be at redline in 1st gear. Its 115 mph. Corrected by GPS, thats 112 true.

Earl :-)

Hell a GSXR1300 does 85 in first...lol

[earlfor]

There you have the two syles of riding habits Jethro. Some people want to go like hell, but in a few hours, they're worn down. Others prefer a pace they can maintain indefinitely. :-)

Earl

Then there are guys like Dpep who's pace sure seems slow when you start the day. But when you spend the first 200 miles riding at 9/10ths dragging knees and peg feelers and just after lunch you are totally spent, Dpep keeps that constant semi-fast pace all day no matter how long that day is. As Skip once pointed out and I experienced on our Cabot trail adventure, that old bastard on his 850g- by mid day I'm on my liter bike saying "Please just slow down! I can't keep up!"

[marz]

i do belive

that its all about who you are.how you ride ..im nuts i just know that.im getting more intune with my bike.its big and heavy (not twitchy)unless i do the oil blindfold thing.(not alot).i blew passed some guy on a r1 the other day.just because i wanted to go ..(problem is i wanna goo tooooo much).i know he can go faster but i was just enjoying my bike.emphesis on -my
but the m/c that **** me off are the ones that blow passede me in the same lane.(law here is one to a lane)if i see them ill wave em through or w.h.y.
also i know my bike pretty well this new engine is o.k. but even when on a demo bikei take it real easy the triumph 955 was just too power hungry i couldnt do any thing,with it.the balck bird was fun but im not used to the power bands ect.

blah balh balh blah
sorry

[Road_Clam]

I loved my prior 1990 ZX10 as it was FAST, and handled awesome, but the bike was heavy, which actually made for incredible stability. Problem is when you have 155 hp, and a bike that handles awesome on the street, you keep wanting to press the envolope just a bit more..... next thing you know you're exceeding 100 mph all the time, which sooner or later you will go to jail. Thats the only reason I sold it. It's so easy to go so fast......

My GS1100 will vibration buzz me right off the bike at anything over 85 mph, which is good as it's a great "speed limiter".

[TheCafeKid]

Your friends are the typicall "posers". They talk all kinds of sportbike techno-bling BS. Their only talk is about what exhaust pipe is the fastest, and sounds the best. Their #1 concern is how much money they spent on an Arai helmet, and their Dianese leathers with knee pucks for the street. When these clowns actually hit the street, they can bang 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in a straight line like a GP racer, but when it comes to cornering skill, braking target fixation, and the physics of conutersteering they are clueless meatsticks. Ask them if they have ever been to an advanced technique riding class, and they comment "no, but i've been ridin' dirt bikes since I was 10 ". Wrong answer

They're squidally delicious HA!

[rxcrider]

Riding a bike is 90% rider, 10% bike, especially in the twisties. For example, both Casey Stoner and Loris Capirossi both ride identical bikes in MotoGP racing for Ducati this year.

Capirossi:



Stoner:



Ducati has arguably the fastest bike on the track this year, hands down.

In the overall standings, Stoner is in 1st, Capirossi is in 8th, both riding the same rocket ship with handlebars.

It's a testament to Stoner's skill and the fact that it's the rider, not the machine, that makes the difference.

And sometimes it is just one well timed pit stop on a drying track that makes all the difference!

[Bert Patterson]

Just habit now, but I always look at the back tire of every sportbike I see parked. Literally 9 out of 10 are seriously flat-spotted in the center with fresh rubber on the sides. They buy the bike because it’s the baddest on the road – and it is – but without the rider skill they waste all that potential and would be much more comfortable – and probably faster – on a Nighthawk.

[rxcrider]

Just habit now, but I always look at the back tire of every sportbike I see parked. Literally 9 out of 10 are seriously flat-spotted in the center with fresh rubber on the sides. They buy the bike because it’s the baddest on the road – and it is – but without the rider skill they waste all that potential and would be much more comfortable – and probably faster – on a Nighthawk.

yep - that's me on my little 550E. I'm slowly finding my way to the edge of the tire. about 3/4" left to go. It just gets scary on the bumpy back roads around here that often have dirt and gravel kicked up in the turns. Ah well - I've only had the bike on the road for 2 weeks - I'll get there.

[82Shafty]

You all bring up a fine point of being able to use what you have on the street. I think it is insane to have a bike that can easily do a 10 second quarter on the street, pick the back tire off the ground on a hard stop and be able to scrap the lettering off of the tank because it handles so well, but where the heck do you legally use all of that machine?

I can't seem to find any times for an 82 1100GL model and I can tell it's not the fastest, but it has enough torque to get up to speed rather quickly without having to rev the pis out of it. It also feels alive and the best part is, it does not beg to be tach'd out.

I actually had a school of squids beep at me while I was cruising the opposite direction last night. I couldn't believe it.