The French seem to have a lot of empathy

[argonsagas]

I really like the approach to Alzheimers treatment they are taking here.
I hope it will be adopted elsewhere.

The article is too long to post, but definitely worth reading.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/village-france-where-everyone-alzheimer-090000839.html

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[Suzukian]

God alone knows what the French Government may have poisoned that town with. The whole town has Alzheimer's ? That doesn't sound strange to you?

[argonsagas]

That was an interesting reply, as there is a town in France that is widely believed to have been deliberately poisoned by CIA in a trial run of LSD

I recall seeing at least one documentary on the subject.
The town was called Pont Saint Esprit.

This one, however, was specifically created by the French as a care centre for those with Alzheimer's.

[Suzukian]

I wouldn't doubt that at all. I don't doubt it. I worked for the Government, and they did things. Read what they did to our own people. (U.S.)

https://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm

[LAB3]

How we went from a town built to suit Alzheimer patients to conspiracies is beyond me. Keep in mind that Tuskegee and MK Ultra et al happened many decades ago, the only conspiracies that matter are the ones you voluntarily buy into.

It's like the guy who co-invented the "Illuminati" conspiracy, Robert Anton Wilson, once said "There is no one all encompassing global conspiracy! At any one given time there's at least 24 conspiracies at play but since they all work the same way it appears to be the same one"

[Suzukian]

How we went from a town built to suit Alzheimer patients to conspiracies is beyond me. Keep in mind that Tuskegee and MK Ultra et al happened many decades ago, the only conspiracies that matter are the ones you voluntarily buy into.

It's like the guy who co-invented the "Illuminati" conspiracy, Robert Anton Wilson, once said "There is no one all encompassing global conspiracy! At any one given time there's at least 24 conspiracies at play but since they all work the same way it appears to be the same one"

The study I referred to and the link lead to the CDC. It is fact, not a conspiracy. Now, let's get real, you make a comment like that, it is insulting. either you did not follow the link, or did not understand what you read, or intellectualized you way to make a non sequitur post. I did not mention the Illuminati, you did,

That was a multi decades study. 10 of the children from this horror are still under government care, and President Clinton made a public apology. How you see this as a conspiracy is typical of a certain type of cynical personality, lacking in empathy, intellectualizing, living in small circles, without much real world experience. You hold "Robert Anton Wilson" in great regards, did he pull the wool over your eyes? You refer to him as if he were some great arbiter of anything. I can give you quotes all day long. Equivocate, if that makes you sleep better at night. Go to sleep little boy, it will all be better in the morning.

"The Tiger of Wrath is always wiser than the Horse of Instruction"..I have a thousands of quotes.

In frustrates me when people equivocate and write what they do not know about. If you do not have the ability to discern fact from fiction, then at least keep it to yourself, and don't project your inability as the reality that others, who can discern experience, by inserting statements that originate from you, You try to put your ideology on other people as if it is reality by making posts like that . I think that maybe there is much, that is as you posted, "beyond me ( you)", to use the words you posted. I posted a link to the CDC. That is not conspiracy theory.

I think if you find stating in a sentence with "it is beyond me.....STOP, because, as you wrote, it is beyond you.

[LAB3]

Like I said, how we went from a story about a town built to accommodate Alzheimer patients to conspiracies, including rehashing old ones for no other purpose than to protract butthurt is puzzling.

It's old "news" move on! Progress HAS taken place and guess what? We're finding better ways to care for those afflicted with a cruel fate, I'll get my "sorrow porn" from a different link.

[bccap]

God alone knows what the French Government may have poisoned that town with. The whole town has Alzheimer's ? That doesn't sound strange to you?

I'm going to assume you are joking ...... They designed and built a town " for " Alzheimer patients to inhabit . It isn't a town that happened to have a high rate of Alzheimers .... I heard of this town some time ago and know they have been studying the model in my country ..... It's a good idea . It gives them some freedom instead of confining them to their rooms like happens in most old age homes ..... Even if the town is locked down it allows some social interaction . I have to believe that is a good thing .....

[LAB3]

So what do you name a planned community such as the one proposed? How about "What?"

[Cipher]

I'm going to assume you are joking ...... They designed and built a town " for " Alzheimer patients to inhabit . It isn't a town that happened to have a high rate of Alzheimers .... I heard of this town some time ago and know they have been studying the model in my country ..... It's a good idea . It gives them some freedom instead of confining them to their rooms like happens in most old age homes ..... Even if the town is locked down it allows some social interaction . I have to believe that is a good thing .....

I recall seeing a news bit on a thing in Denmark ( or the other one that I mistake for Denmark) where apartment facilities for the elderly are managed to include a percentage of college age students. It apparently helps older people maintain their bodies and souls if they are allowed to live a semblanc eof life and not suffer ghettoization. Is that a word? It is now.

[Suzukian]

LAB3 Live in your illusion. Forget the past, so you can repeat the mistakes. Planned communities for the Elderly is a great thing., but the thread started about a town where everyone has Alzheimer's. I remember the whole CIA. thing in France back then. You obviously younger, destined to make mistakes, you don't care about history, from what you post. my post was in reply to the post by argonsagas.

Conversation with non sequitur lifeforms serves no purpose. Go to a Proctologist for your Butthurt. You may be suffering from a rectal linear inversion.

[Suzukian]

I recall seeing a news bit on a thing in Denmark ( or the other one that I mistake for Denmark) where apartment facilities for the elderly are managed to include a percentage of college age students. It apparently helps older people maintain their bodies and souls if they are allowed to live a semblanc eof life and not suffer ghettoization. Is that a word? It is now.

I think that having a community of people with mixed ages, but the services for those in need,, living alongside the general populace is a great concept. It used to be called "mainstreaming". I call it "Normal". Separating the elderly to systemically figure out how much their care cost, then cut it back, or have people come in and figure how to tax, or otherwise steal their life's savings. Co-mingle them, so they can pass their knowledge to those who are smart enough to glean it from them. I was a Social Worker for the Government back in the '70's. I've seen lots of old people wither away, some, very old, outliving all their relatives and friends, but still sharp as a pin, but alone. Have you ever (you in general) ever really been alone, no one to talk to,period?

It can be called "Home". Simple, call it Home. Or, maybe we can separate people for each kind of their difference. Yes, that would solve all the problems.

[bccap]

I went through this a while ago with my mom. { sadly passed away now } She had Dimentia not Alzheimers ...... They were closing the facility she was in so we had to find a new one . My brother lives on the island so he handled the finances and research and would call me to check out the places he found. We had a budget of around $9,000 a month to work with . So I did the leg work . They were all pretty much the same with accommodation on the second floor and dining and entertainment on the first floor with a room for the Alzheimer patients with someone inside attending at all times . They were nice rooms but nothing really in there to stimulate them much . And the attendant was more or less watching over them rather than interacting with them .

One day my brother calls and suggested we check out what the government had to offer ..... I was astounded . It was a brand new facility but what impressed us the most was the layout. Instead of the two floor model . This place was divided into what they called neighborhoods . I don't remember exactly but maybe a dozen people to a neighborhood .....These were on one floor two to a floor and completely self contained . Common areas and eating areas in the center and surrounded by a pentagon shape of hallways for accommodation . Cooking was done in a separate building and brought to the various neighborhoods at meal times . It was incredibly efficient and offered the best way for the staff to manage their time with patients .

Once every four months the family was called in for a meeting to discuss food,care, medications etc. with the half a dozen department heads running the place . Because it was government run they took { I can't remember exactly } around 75% of her pension income but did not touch any of her cash or other assets . Didn't matter if you had a stock brokers pension or just the OAS everyone was the same .......This allowed us to hire one of her girlfriends and hire a service called " Driving Miss Daisy " to transport her daily to be with my mom ..... The biggest killer in old age homes is loneliness and we did our best to handle that ..... Because this layout was so efficient the staff had loads of time to interact with the clientele . Whenever we would visit one of the caregivers would dress my mom in her finest and we would use another room they had to dine privately .

These neighborhoods sound very much like what they may have been trying to do in France but using one building . I think the town idea is better though .....

[LAB3]

It apparently helps older people maintain their bodies and souls if they are allowed to live a semblanc eof life and not suffer ghettoization. Is that a word? It is now.

Can definitionately see your point on "ghettoization", there are trade-offs to consider such as the current state of institutionalized care.

In the mental health treatment system you come across people who live independently but are so "propped up" via social support programs that they're practically institutionalized. Their whole life revolves around the schedule of those who provide them with cooked meals, transportation and day programs where they only mingle with other service recipients, the official (P.C.) term for this is "Service bubbles" Since they rarely interact with anyone else outside that bubble, how do you expect them to recover?

Thing is, how else do you humanely care for these folks? What could be done better? It's true, segregating people has it's disadvantages but what do you replace it with?

[Suzukian]

I worked a few years with people with special needs. The "Bubbles of Care' mentioned a lot of times some of the most caring people you could imagine, dealing with people who have advanced dementia, Alzheimer's, and other various illness's. There is no "one" way these people can be cared for. No "one" way applies. Some have families that go way out to give their loved ones a comfortable place to live till they pass. There is no known cure for most dementia, and no one I've head of for Alzheimer's or ,Parkinson's Syndrome, these people are going to die. Making them comfortable and safe is about the best that car be done.

That was known when this thread was started. It's baiting. The worst form on intellectualizing. Some call it "Mental masturbating".

bccap what your family did is to be applauded, and in this day in age, it is a shining example.