Canadian BBQ?

[bccap]

And your experience is based on your extensive experience in the industry ? ......I've been towing up and down the BC coast for thirty years and I've never seen it used on more than one tree . And I've lost count of how many heli camps I've towed out of ........Because it is an incredibly expensive way to log only the biggest and best trees are taken . And I'm talking about some seriously big trees .......That is why they do one at a time ....... They want it choked and in the water within minutes or they're losing money ..... And I call BS on your Alaska story . Not a hope in Hell anyone could make money using those giant construction Sikorskies . Way way too expensive to operate in a logging show ..... Those things cost mega bucks to operate ......

And it is completely impractical to suggest it be used to clean up the forest floor. How are you going to choke on rotting crap. Even if you do getting it out without it falling apart mid air is a crap shoot ....And of course the big impediment . Getting the chopper down through the forest canopy to get there ...... Not going to happen ......

This is an industry you know absolutely nothing about .......

[trent]

Speaking of trees, Here in the midwest, especially Northern parts of missouri. I'm tired of seeing trees taken out.

I drive through many areas of the Northern half of missouri and just shocked when i go through an area that id been to just month before and trees are gone.

Two years ago I worked on a project, and four month ago went back for additional work.
back two years ago,
There was an old farmhouse with some old cars around it, people were living there but I knew the house would be inhabital soon.

Now house is gone and so is the wooded area behind it, probably the size of twenty-five football fields

Shame. At least property owners next to it still have their trees.

Plant corn, no more conservation. These guys around here like to hunt and fish , if they keep on taking trees out and draining all the ponds so they can plant guess what. There goes the deer and fish.

used to be nice scenery, I go back to Central Illinois. I used to describe it as nothing but cornfields, but starting to be more wilderness there than in northern missouri

I've even heard people say the farmers will leave the trees be. When government starts paying them to

some of these farmers are big corporations now. Not conservationists they used to be.

[LAB3]

My guess is they're not cutting trees down to create more farmland, it would take years of work to make the ground workable and productive. The better guess is that it's "clear cut" to sell off whatever timber is in there which allows the undergrowth to take over. This in turn provides cover and food (leaves) for deer, birds and small game.

[GS1150Pilot]

I saw on show on Alaska Tree Logging, using Erickson (formerly the Sikorsky Skycrane) which now owns that helicopter model and Kamen K-Max's carrying multiple huge trees. That being said, there are some trees that are so huge, only one could be carried. So let's keep this in perspective. There are a lot of companies doing this, and Kamen is doing well with the K-Max helicopter and the SIller Corporation with their Skycranes, and Erickson with theirs. Making a statement that alludes that a helicopter can carry only one tree at a time, and alluding at a narrow profit margin, and that makes it unfeasible. You speak with forked tongue.

It is done, and by many companies. These helicopters also carry a lot of other things. I have nothing to prove to anyone here. Use Google, and take better care of your trees. We'll try to do the same here, or at least set up huge fans to blow it North.

I'm seeing that the K-Max has a lift capacity of 6,000 pounds. I also see that a single 100 foot tree can weigh around 18,000 pounds.

[Cipher]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/here-s-how-some-of-canada-s-wildfires-compare-in-size-to-cities-lakes-1.6434599

Mercator would slap the compilers of thus article.

[Cipher]

I'm seeing that the K-Max has a lift capacity of 6,000 pounds. I also see that a single 100 foot tree can weigh around 18,000 pounds.

Helico[ppters are used for picking big ass tress out of otherwise inaccessible locations. Not needing to build a logging road ave money and a road cant reach everywhere.
The helicopters get the arse worked off them. I talked to an Oerlikon Aerospace rep at an airshow and he toutes a plasma resurfacing technique they developed to lower the cost of refurbishing turbine blades.

Some folks think they just cut a road but the civil engineers got involved a while back and boosted the cost of making em.

[Cipher]

Try Google .... Word on the street is it works pretty good ......

https://montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/climate-change-is-exacerbating-forest-fires-and-vice-versa-experts-say

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/08/climate/canada-wildfires-smoke-extreme-weather.html

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada...ists-1.6425110

Three sketchy articles sensationalising to produce mouse clicks and all from the same purveyor of popular media?
Make the least possible effort. Oh wait you have carry on.

[DaveR]

A nuanced article from another mainstream Canadian news outlet that suggests a viewpoint different from the GSR experts.

The internet is a wonderful and comforting place where one can find reassuring corroboration for any opinion one might have.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/canadas-burning-because-of-bad-forest-policy-not-climate-change/wcm/67a7d2bd-ac43-4be9-8e6a-0dccb7759937/amp/

[GS1150Pilot]

A nuanced article from another mainstream Canadian news outlet that suggests a viewpoint different from the GSR experts.

The internet is a wonderful and comforting place where one can find reassuring corroboration for any opinion one might have.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/can...cb7759937/amp/

I think the best (and most supported) take on the matter is that poor forest management coupled with climate change and human error = increased frequency and increased severity of forest fires. This is not an issue of confirmation bias.

[Suzukian]

I'm seeing that the K-Max has a lift capacity of 6,000 pounds. I also see that a single 100 foot tree can weigh around 18,000 pounds.

Trees are cut according to the Helicopters lifting capacity. Also, many tree are cut to over all size needed in the field. This saves time, while waiting for the helicopter to return. I worked for Sikorsky Aircraft for 10 years. I know a lot about helicopters. I've even had a few lessons in small ones. I am not being dogmatic, I just state if it wasn't profitable, it would not be done. Let's keep this in the reality realm.

What do you guys use for Barbecue Sauce up there, eh?

[GS1150Pilot]

Trees are cut according to the Helicopters lifting capacity. Also, many tree are cut to over all size needed in the field. This saves time, while waiting for the helicopter to return. I worked for Sikorsky Aircraft for 10 years. I know a lot about helicopters. I've even had a few lessons in small ones. I am not being dogmatic, I just state if it wasn't profitable, it would not be done. Let's keep this in the reality realm.

What do you guys use for Barbecue Sauce up there, eh?

I think you are making Garth's point for him there. He knows more than any of us about logging.

[Suzukian]

This is so boring..

[LAB3]

I think the best (and most supported) take on the matter is that poor forest management coupled with climate change and human error = increased frequency and increased severity of forest fires. This is not an issue of confirmation bias.

People want simple answers and not have to feel accountable for causing a problem. The complexity of the contributing factors is more than most people are willing to ponder much less are capable of rationally understanding. In that case, stories fill a need, always have.

[Cipher]

I think you are making Garth's point for him there. He knows more than any of us about logging.

I grew up in a logging camp, My grandfather ran a 250 man camp. I worked as a cutter and truck and equipment operator so you are wrong.
i've seen two cutters die. One from a saw cut the other from the fell of a tree. Ive seen and been in fires.

Barger Garth clings to logical fallacy as much as you do.

[bccap]

This whole heli logging discussion came from someone presenting the thesis that it would be a good way to clean up the forest floor . Using the most expensive logging method to clean out the rotting debris that makes the floor dangerous. A completely impractical idea from the get go . Too expensive and not efficient ...... { not to mention you'd never get the chopper down through the forest canopy } .......

The only economical and practical solution is controlled burning and the construction of fire lines and hope they hold. Cause if they don't there is going to be some serious doggie doo doo happening ......