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    #16
    I've had some horrible bikes but ones I put considerable miles on there is only one:

    My XR1200:

    So, what can I say? The XR1200 was a sporty cruiser. It handled like a cruiser, felt as heavy as one, and despite everyone at the Harley dealership telling me it was “fast,” it definitely wasn’t. Quick? Sure. But fast? Not even close. I ended up trading it in after putting 10,000 miles on it.

    I swapped it for my Bonneville T120, which handled better, stopped better, and was faster; bone stock.

    Now don’t get me wrong, the XR had its perks. It just felt like it wasn’t fully thought through. It could have been a decent sport-touring platform, but it lacked practicality in the ways that mattered most.

    The 3.5-gallon tank maybe got you 100 miles. I pushed it more than once when the fuel light came on at 85 miles, and by 90 it was bone dry. So when I mean I pushed it; I did, more than once along the highway. Sure, 3.5 gallons isn’t a lot, but my T120 and Scrambler 1200 both sip fuel from their 3.8-gallon tanks and often return 180 miles per tank. That’s the efficiency of the (not so) new Triumph 1200 Inline twin.

    Now, the engine on the XR was fun. It came alive near its 7K Buell-inherited redline, and the primary chain’s whine sounded like a chainsaw between your feet. But it only had five gears, and the massive engine lump made slow-speed riding clunky. It shed some of its weight at speed, but the bike’s sheer length never let you forget it; it handled like a cruiser no matter what.

    I overheated it once. Had repeated EFI issues that left me with a stuck high idle. The main harness literally caught on fire. And, of course, it leaked oil; just your classic Harley experience.

    Looking back, yeah, it was a cool bike, but it just wasn’t for me. I couldn’t put real miles on it without constantly stopping for gas, especially on the interstate. Touring was a no-go, despite my many efforts.

    Ironically, my Scrambler 1200 today is very reminiscent of the XR1200; but Triumph did everything right where Harley did everything wrong with the XR. The 21" front wheel with cruiser-style tires gives it a laid-back feel, but the Öhlins suspension and Brembo brakes make sure it’s poised, progressive, and sharp when it matters.



    The 135-pound weight difference is immediately noticeable. The Bonnie-based Scrambler carries its weight lower than the XR, and after lowering my XE to XC spec, the ride height is comparable to the XR; upright and comfortable. The bench seat on the Scrambler is far superior to the stiff, locked-in riding position of the XR though.

    Performance? No contest. The 1200cc twin in the Scrambler; dyno’s at 92WHP with a Thruxton ECU tune, airbox mod, and pipe; this outperforms the XR even with the similar bolt-ons (which only got me to 80WHP, I had it Dyno'd). The Scrambler drinks premium like the XR did, but still gets 15–20 MPG more per tank.

    In hindsight, the XR did lead me to the right decision; it helped me figure out what kind of rider I really am. I knew I wanted a twin. I knew I wanted something more standard or vintage-inspired; not a plastic-wrapped modern sport-tourer with a screaming four-cylinder. I’m glad I owned the XR; not because I enjoyed it, but because I learned so much from it.

    I’ve since put over 120,000 miles on my T120 and coming up to 11,000 miles on the Scrambler 1200 I bought last fall. And honestly, the Scrambler is already pushing my FZ1 for the title of “best bike I’ve ever owned.” If it survives its first 40K without major issues, it may very well take the crown. It’s already knocked the T120 down from the top spot as my "favorite" bike.

    Funny enough, I never would’ve appreciated the T120 if I hadn’t disliked the XR so much. A buddy let me ride his T120 in Florida back in 2018. The moment I got back to New England, I rode straight to the Triumph dealer, traded in my XR, and bought my Bonneville.

    The rest, as they say, is history.

    Cheers!

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      #17
      Ran into a guy two winters ago who once owned an XR. He bought it thinking that a brand new bike would not give him trouble when he decided to hit the road for a planned one month trip around the US. He said it broke down three times in the first 2,000 miles with the final one being a total failure of the wiring harness which started a fire and basically made the bike a total loss.

      HD made good and set him up with a brand new bike which ALMOST got him back home before his second wiring system failure! At least HD had the willingness to make right by him by giving him full credit on another model, he was happier with the Softail Classic.

      If I where in his shoes I'd probably go with another brand after laying down that kind of cash, getting them to cover the loss though would probably cost at least as much in legal fees even if you could find a judge that would rule in his favor.
      Last edited by LAB3; 03-24-2025, 11:24 AM.
      1980 Yamaha XS1100G (Current bike)
      1982 GS450txz (former bike)
      LONG list of previous bikes not listed here.

      I identify as a man but according to the label on a box of Stauffers Baked Lasagne I'm actually a family of four

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        #18
        Originally posted by LAB3 View Post
        He said it broke down three times in the first 2,000 miles with the final one being a total failure of the wiring harness which started a fire and basically made the bike a total loss.
        new bike which ALMOST got him back home before his second wiring system failure! .
        Add my experience and I have to say, at least Harley was consistent!

        Wow...

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          #19
          Harley unreliable....who would have thought....lol
          No signature :(

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            #20
            Worst bike and best bike I had was a 1969 Kawasaki Avenger ...... Best bike because it was a rotary valved rocket ship ..... And worst bike because four years after production the parts were made of unobtanium ...... And that rotary valve system was subject to needing parts ....... { All that and you couldn't stop the damn thing with the tiny shoe brakes }

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            Old age and treachery will beat youth and skill every time1983 GS 750
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              #21
              From the folks I deal with, only a HD enthusiast will have pos. opinions of HD and their reliability. I'm thinking they must be getting better cause back in the 80's if you saw a group of 8 or 10 Harleys out for a day ride, they'd always have a van or pick-up following behind them. Today I don't see that near as often as I did back then.
              1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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                #22
                Originally posted by Jedz123 View Post
                I've had some horrible bikes but ones I put considerable miles on there is only one:

                My XR1200
                I love the style of the XRs but this is the one to get, ha! A friend of a friend has a shop with a huge collection up in WA.

                Tom

                '82 GS1100E Mr. Turbo
                '79 GS100E
                Other non Suzuki bikes

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                  #23
                  I never really had a "worst motorcycle". Maybe the Honda 360T, but not even that. It was my first street/touring motorcycle. It did the job it was supposed to do.
                  I had that Triumph Tiger GT. Nothing really wrong with it, just not my cup of tea.
                  I had a 96 Harley Road King that was willed to me from my stepfather. That thing was a slug. It had trouble passing trucks on the highway! I sold it pretty quick...
                  My Motorcycles:
                  22 Kawasaki Z900 RS (Candy Tone Blue)
                  22 BMW K1600GT (Probably been to a town near you)
                  82 1100e Drag Bike (needs race engine)
                  81 1100e Street Bike (with race engine)
                  79 1000e (all original)
                  82 850g (all original)
                  80 KZ 650F (needs restored)

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                    #24
                    On Harleys. The fellow I bought the V65 (first bad bike photod above) also had a Harley Sportster I could have bought instead. I forget what model it was but it was silver/grey and had twin carbs on it. A really great looking bike and also really rare. I should have bought that one instead of the Honda for sure, would have been more reliable and nicer to ride I bet.I think it was Harleys tribute to the flat trackers back then or something like that. I don't follow Harleys but that was a nice package.
                    1986 1150EF
                    2008 GS1250SEA

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by trevor View Post
                      Harley unreliable....who would have thought....lol
                      Too bad Jedz got a lemon. I can't say enough good about mine.
                      "Thought he, it is a wicked world in all meridians; I'll die a pagan."
                      ~Herman Melville

                      2016 1200 Superlow
                      1982 CB900f

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Big Block View Post
                        On Harleys. The fellow I bought the V65 (first bad bike photod above) also had a Harley Sportster I could have bought instead. I forget what model it was but it was silver/grey and had twin carbs on it. A really great looking bike and also really rare. I should have bought that one instead of the Honda for sure, would have been more reliable and nicer to ride I bet.I think it was Harleys tribute to the flat trackers back then or something like that. I don't follow Harleys but that was a nice package.
                        Like this one? These are super collectible now.

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                        BTW, mine has a 4.5 gallon tank, and I can easily get 180-190 miles before I start worrying about gas.​
                        Last edited by GS1150Pilot; 03-25-2025, 12:52 AM.
                        "Thought he, it is a wicked world in all meridians; I'll die a pagan."
                        ~Herman Melville

                        2016 1200 Superlow
                        1982 CB900f

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by GS1150Pilot View Post

                          Too bad Jedz got a lemon. I can't say enough good about mine.
                          I had a mid 90's 1200 Sporty. That actually ran great in comparison, brakes were dangerously bad and I upgraded them. It was a cool bike to blast around on, kept it for a few months before I sold it for a sizable profit. First, I truly don't think ALL Harley's are bad, I own 2 bikes by the British version of the Brand (Triumph) I like to wrench and trouble shoot so my Triumph's always give me a puzzle to solve, every now and then . I just prefer the Bonneville platform over the Sportster platform. And the big cruisers are tanks and I know many folks that have brought their Baggers and Dynas to or over 100K miles.

                          So there's that. We all have our preferences, I just don't dig HD, I've owned 3 and just can't get into them. BUT I do love a good twin paired to a lively and solid frame. The new Bonneville's are my go to, likely be that guy that rides one until the end.

                          Anyway, here is my good Sporty:


                          Cheers!

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                            #28
                            xr1000 is what it was and his was absolutely mint. xr1000.jpg
                            1986 1150EF
                            2008 GS1250SEA

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                              #29
                              My worst bike was a Yamaha XS850 triple. Not because it was an awful bike but this one was a seriously neglected one. I did learn about petcocks with no off position when I dumped a lot of gas into it, I did not explode my garage somehow. I also learned about voltage drop that was so bad it refused to make a spark. Once I replaced the fuse box and cleaned a few connections it started.

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                                #30
                                I almost forgot about this one. Wish I could. Technically I owned it, But it was my son's first bike. There's probably some decent inexpensive Chinese dirt bikes. The Hawk 250 is not one of them. Bought it cheap enough. We modified the exhaust, a bit of plasti-dip, even upgraded to a digital instrument cluster. This thing was the perfect crappy first motorcycle for the kid. Everyone's first bike should be a POS, I believe. The best thing about it was it gave him and me lots of time together in the garage replacing all the parts that rattled themselves off, and otherwise just tinkering. We both enjoyed all the time we spent on it. Unfortunately, when he sold it, somehow he crashed it into a telephone pole between my garage and the pickup truck of the guy who came to buy it. Ended up still selling it to the guy for $200. On top of that, kid felt so bad he gave the guy my $200 helmet. Net $0 - minus all we did in upgrades. Oh well, at least I'm rid of it. Kid says he'll ride again. But this happened last July, and he's not gotten back on a bike. I think he will though, given enough time. I have the Tiger and GS both licensed and insured. Just waiting for him.

                                Rich
                                1982 GS 750TZ
                                2015 Triumph Tiger 1200

                                BikeCliff's / Charging System Sorted / Posting Pics
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