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    Make-up...is it really worth the expense?

    Most of us have women in our lives and this may be of interest to you, and maybe your woman.

    A huge number of women in our hemisphere wear make-up every day, beginning from early teen years., sometimes earlier.
    Cosmetics is not merely popular it has probably become a fail-safe industry that will almost certainly survive even a depression.


    The logic for women doing it fails for me.

    Many, many, early-teens begin doing it to look older: they want to appear as glamourous and sophisticated as they perceive others who are closer to or at adult-age.
    To achieve this they add the make-up and often change their attire and mannerisms.
    Make-up does work this way for them, so they develop the habit of using it, and, hopefully, get better at its application.

    What fails for me is why they continue doing it and seldom recognize what it can do, and very often actually does, to their skin over time: it causes damage, often long-term damage.

    This is an example of some of the problems, and how to avoid them.

    Unhealthy makeup habits can cause acne, aging, and oiliness or dryness. Read more about the negative effects of daily makeup use.



    Personal experience:

    I am not a fan of the stuff, and believe it continues to succeed at the initial goal for many young girls or women by making them look older well after they become adults.

    As example, my wife and I were going to Toronto's major fair, Canadian National Exhibition, before covid and had this discussion before we left home.
    She decided to challenge my views and applied her own choice of make-up before we left home. She looked great, as usual, and was anticipating an opportunity to prove me wrong.

    At the CNE we found a couple of stands where you pay an entry fee and hope for a prize when they wrongly guess your age and/or weight.

    We observed a number of people paying for the opportunity to go forward and submit themselves to the "guesses"
    Presuming the visitors were speaking the truth when they responded to the "guesses" we saw few prizes were won and it appeared those doing the guessing were definitely good at the job.

    My wife went forward at two separate locations, where the respective guesses gave her age as five or seven years older than her real age.
    That did not go over well.

    No, I did not gloat.
    Bertrand Russell: 'Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education.'


    #2
    Originally posted by argonsagas View Post
    Most of us have women in our lives and this may be of interest to you, and maybe your woman.

    A huge number of women in our hemisphere wear make-up every day, beginning from early teen years., sometimes earlier.
    Cosmetics is not merely popular it has probably become a fail-safe industry that will almost certainly survive even a depression.


    The logic for women doing it fails for me.

    Many, many, early-teens begin doing it to look older: they want to appear as glamourous and sophisticated as they perceive others who are closer to or at adult-age.
    To achieve this they add the make-up and often change their attire and mannerisms.
    Make-up does work this way for them, so they develop the habit of using it, and, hopefully, get better at its application.

    What fails for me is why they continue doing it and seldom recognize what it can do, and very often actually does, to their skin over time: it causes damage, often long-term damage.

    This is an example of some of the problems, and how to avoid them.

    Unhealthy makeup habits can cause acne, aging, and oiliness or dryness. Read more about the negative effects of daily makeup use.



    Personal experience:

    I am not a fan of the stuff, and believe it continues to succeed at the initial goal for many young girls or women by making them look older well after they become adults.

    As example, my wife and I were going to Toronto's major fair, Canadian National Exhibition, before covid and had this discussion before we left home.
    She decided to challenge my views and applied her own choice of make-up before we left home. She looked great, as usual, and was anticipating an opportunity to prove me wrong.

    At the CNE we found a couple of stands where you pay an entry fee and hope for a prize when they wrongly guess your age and/or weight.

    We observed a number of people paying for the opportunity to go forward and submit themselves to the "guesses"
    Presuming the visitors were speaking the truth when they responded to the "guesses" we saw few prizes were won and it appeared those doing the guessing were definitely good at the job.

    My wife went forward at two separate locations, where the respective guesses gave her age as five or seven years older than her real age.
    That did not go over well.

    No, I did not gloat.

    Probably should have worn a diaper and a halter top. lol
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      #3
      My wife wears makeup often, especially when she meets with clients, I don't see an issue with it. She is also health nut and uses products that are on the pricier side but are more "natural" whatever that means. She has exceptional hygiene to makeup and generally "takes off her face" when she gets home. She will often not wear makeup or minimal makeup on days she's off and just hanging around the house. My wife has definitely toned down while pregnant. Acetone in nail polish remover and enamel in nail polish are not good for baby so she hasn't used nail polish in a while. Still will use facial makeup though.

      One of my closest friend is a makeup artist and he absolutely loves it. The best part he says of his job is bringing confidence to his clients. He is an absolute talent and makes decent coin doing it.

      I think there are folks that definitely overdo it. I grew up with my sisters wearing makeup for concerts and special events all through elementary school. All things that I would construed as normal. I talked to my wife about this last night with our daughter coming, when would you allow makeup or nail polish? We figure if our daughter shows interest in using it why would we not allow her to use it? 5 is when my sisters used nail polish and got their ears pierced. Allot has changed from the 90's I guess. Makeup didn't really make it into my sister's daily application until high school. So I guess with that rule of thumb if my daughter wants to wear some makeup I'm not going to forbid it. I've found you forbid anything from teenagers it only encourages them more to do it.

      Is it worth the expense? If you ask that than ask; Is buying that motorcycle that identifies to your personally worth the expense? That tee shirt? That baseball cap?
      If it's means to help someone be more comfortable in their skin or instills confidence than what is the issue with it? Why i have no issue with makeup use. Regardless of who you are. I have used concealer myself for school photos because of embarrassing acne and no one was the wiser and it made me feel good. I think making make up an issue about sexism and woman is absurd because; well, everyone can use it and the point is to help a person better feel comfortable in the skin they were born in.

      Is there really a price for confidence and comfort? Many I think would say... No

      Best,
      Last edited by Jedz123; 01-12-2022, 01:50 PM.
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      Cool is defined differently by different people... I'm sure the new rider down the block thinks his Ninja 250 is cool and why shouldn't he? Bikes are just cool.

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        #4
        Originally posted by earlfor View Post
        Probably should have worn a diaper and a halter top. lol

        I am sure that was intended to be in jest, but you are actually right in that our clothing choices always contribute to the overall impression we make on people we meet, no matter where we meet them.
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          #5
          Originally posted by Jedz123 View Post
          My wife wears makeup often, especially when she meets with clients, I don't see an issue with it. She is also health nut and uses products that are on the pricier side but are more "natural" whatever that means. She has exceptional hygiene to makeup and generally "takes off her face" when she gets home. She will often not wear makeup or minimal makeup on days she's off and just hanging around the house. My wife has definitely toned down while pregnant. Acetone in nail polish remover and enamel in nail polish are not good for baby so she hasn't used nail polish in a while. Still will use facial makeup though.

          One of my closest friend is a makeup artist and he absolutely loves it. The best part he says of his job is bringing confidence to his clients. He is an absolute talent and makes decent coin doing it.

          I think there are folks that definitely overdo it. I grew up with my sisters wearing makeup for concerts and special events all through elementary school. All things that I would construed as normal. I talked to my wife about this last night with our daughter coming, when would you allow makeup or nail polish? We figure if our daughter shows interest in using it why would we not allow her to use it? 5 is when my sisters used nail polish and got their ears pierced. Allot has changed from the 90's I guess. Makeup didn't really make it into my sister's daily application until high school. So I guess with that rule of thumb if my daughter wants to wear some makeup I'm not going to forbid it. I've found you forbid anything from teenagers it only encourages them more to do it.

          Is it worth the expense? If you ask that than ask; Is buying that motorcycle that identifies to your personally worth the expense? That tee shirt? That baseball cap?
          If it's means to help someone be more comfortable in their skin or instills confidence than what is the issue with it? Why i have no issue with makeup use. Regardless of who you are. I have used concealer myself for school photos because of embarrassing acne and no one was the wiser and it made me feel good. I think making make up an issue about sexism and woman is absurd because, well everyone can use it.

          Best,
          Those are good points and some are in the link I gave.

          Our conversation was started when my wife was talking about a friend who is only 3 or 4 years older than her, a woman who was probably beautiful in earlier years.
          Her friend still has a good figure and looks very attractive from a bit of distance, but when you are close to her you can see huge amounts of make-up and despite it all she looks 15 years older than her real age as her skin has suffered badly..

          I know nothing about her evening cleansing or other hygiene, but I am sure her smoking habit contributes to her problems.
          Bertrand Russell: 'Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education.'

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            #6
            I think like all things in life (minus motorcycles) everything is fine in moderation.

            I do know someone my wife's age (35) that looks much older now and sometimes I will flat out call her out on the over exuberance of her application of make-up...

            Smoking never helps, learning alcohol and other factors result in enhancing the aging process... I'm sure using cheap cosmetic products in overabundance is just like anything, harmful in the long run.

            Cheers!
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            Originally posted by Hayabuser
            Cool is defined differently by different people... I'm sure the new rider down the block thinks his Ninja 250 is cool and why shouldn't he? Bikes are just cool.

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              #7
              Originally posted by argonsagas View Post
              .....

              ..... the respective guesses gave her age as five or seven years older than her real age.
              ......
              Good that you didnt gloat, probably good not to say much of anything.
              My expereince is that any comment about appearance or weight or age, even if you think is a good comment, can posssibly be not recieved well. . . especailly if required a pause before saying.


              Is you point, in telling us, that the makeup made her look older, or that she didnt have makeup to look better?
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                #8
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Brendan W View Post
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                    #10
                    Women have been doing this for tens of thousands of years, and so have men, even some animals get into this.

                    You'd need to speak to anthropologist to get some understanding of it.
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                      #11
                      I don't hassle her about makeup, skin care/hair-care product, or shoes. She doesn't hassle me about motorcycle parts and ammo. Works out well.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Cipher View Post
                        Phone rings no answer.......
                        She's in the middle of divorcing this Gabriel guy. Last I heard she got the wings and the harp.....
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Redman View Post
                            Good that you didnt gloat, probably good not to say much of anything.
                            My expereince is that any comment about appearance or weight or age, even if you think is a good comment, can posssibly be not recieved well. . . especailly if required a pause before saying.


                            Is you point, in telling us, that the makeup made her look older, or that she didnt have makeup to look better?
                            The make-up made her look 5 to 7 years older than her real age and she was not pleased to hear that confirmed by two "experts".
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                              #15
                              Back in the '80s, a lot of guys wore makeup, tights, hair spray, etc. As long as you were toting a guitar, it was fairly well accepted and a great way to horrify your parents.

                              I recall an acquaintance of mine in early college named Bert... he didn't play guitar, but suddenly started wearing varying degrees of makeup, painting his nails, etc. Upon questioning, the most we ever got out of him was a sullen "I like it. Shut up.". After a few weeks everyone just sort of got used to the one guy wearing makeup with painted nails and much fancier hair than the rest of us. We never did really figure out what Bert was up to or if it was more than just a dude who likes makeup. Makeup made him happy and didn't hurt a thing.

                              I've only seen my wife with makeup a few times, and frankly it was sort of shocking. I knew my opinion wasn't really relevant, but she noticed my reaction. Hasn't bothered with the stuff in years.

                              It's important for men to understand that women (or men, for that matter) don't really wear makeup or particular clothing for us; they're wearing it for themselves.

                              Nowadays, there is an increasing trend of men wearing somewhat subtle makeup daily, and plenty of tutorials, support, and products out there for dudes who want to look nicer. If you're paying attention, men wearing a little makeup is more common than you might think, especially in cities.
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