Miss USA dead

[Lorenzo]

Come on guys, I gave you more hints than the Zodiac killer...

Any positronic brain around? any humanoid robot typing? Just think for a parsec

[LAB3]

After seeing some of the other threads, I'll confirm there's a bot at play here....

[Grimly]

After seeing some of the other threads, I'll confirm there's a bot at play here....

There's a fuse blown, that's for sure.

[Lorenzo]

There's a fuse blown, that's for sure.

How do you mean, what you can't grasp, you despise?

[Rob S.]

2. The Trump right-especially the religious right-loves homeschooling; that way, they can omit inconvenient truths and create alternate narratives.

You got that right. But even in public...

On TV (and elsewhere) recently, they talked about Tennessee, which had just banned a Pulitzer Prize book about the Holocaust (Maus) from it's schools.

Wait, it gets worse:

Between Tennessee, Texas (and a few other states), the list of books to be banned from public schools is 850!

[Cipher]

You got that right. But even in public...

On TV (and elsewhere) recently, they talked about Tennessee, which had just banned a Pulitzer Prize book about the Holocaust (Maus) from it's schools.

Wait, it gets worse:

Between Tennessee, Texas (and a few other states), the list of books to be banned from public schools is 850!

Book bannings increase sales.
Getting on the RCC list made some folks rich

[argonsagas]

You got that right. But even in public...

On TV (and elsewhere) recently, they talked about Tennessee, which had just banned a Pulitzer Prize book about the Holocaust (Maus) from it's schools.

Wait, it gets worse:

Between Tennessee, Texas (and a few other states), the list of books to be banned from public schools is 850!

One of the best {and some might say the VERY best book} to grace the inside of a schoolroom, that, in bitter irony, does not fit with the new social constructs is "To Kill A Mockingbird"

It seems that truth, justice, and a fairly accurate depiction of real American history have become entirely unacceptable to some who demand history must not be permitted to sully the minds of students who might otherwise be encouraged to develop into adults that could be more intelligent and more humane than themselves.

https://ronaldyatesbooks.com/2021/07/why-are-schools-banning-to-kill-a-mockingbird/

[GS1150Pilot]

One of the best {and some might say the VERY best book} to grace the inside of a schoolroom, that, in bitter irony, does not fit with the new social constructs is "To Kill A Mockingbird"

It seems that truth, justice, and a fairly accurate depiction of real American history have become entirely unacceptable to some who demand history must not be permitted to sully the minds of students who might otherwise be encouraged to develop into adults that could be more intelligent and more humane than themselves.




https://ronaldyatesbooks.com/2021/07...a-mockingbird/

Well said, Ron.

[Brendan W]

One of the best {and some might say the VERY best book} to grace the inside of a schoolroom, that, in bitter irony, does not fit with the new social constructs is "To Kill A Mockingbird"

It seems that truth, justice, and a fairly accurate depiction of real American history have become entirely unacceptable to some who demand history must not be permitted to sully the minds of students who might otherwise be encouraged to develop into adults that could be more intelligent and more humane than themselves.




https://ronaldyatesbooks.com/2021/07...a-mockingbird/

I would add to that. Children's books from early age have allowed them to see that the world is not always nice. There are bad wolves and wicked witches and even, in the context of home, cruel step- mother/sister/father.
I believe children are better for seeing the world as it is rather that what some would like it to be.
A psychologist told me that it was important for children to imagine fighting and defeating monsters and dragons and bad wolves.
As they reach teens they need to see other points of view and start butting up against moral dilemmas.
This is where the English teacher is absolutely pivotal in showing how to empathise if not sympathise with agents bad and good.
There is a lot of excellent writing encoding the wisdom of the village and we excise it at our peril.

[LAB3]

I would add to that. Children's books from early age have allowed them to see that the world is not always nice. There are bad wolves and wicked witches and even, in the context of home, cruel step- mother/sister/father.

There was some scuttlebut around Harry Potter books about 15-18 years ago, it spawned great piece of solo performance art on my part acting the part of a fundamentalist preacher. If you did something like that these days you'd get a devoted following out of it and be able to cash in, the real money is in the adversarial role. Hype creates JOBS!

[GS1150Pilot]

I would add to that. Children's books from early age have allowed them to see that the world is not always nice. There are bad wolves and wicked witches and even, in the context of home, cruel step- mother/sister/father.
I believe children are better for seeing the world as it is rather that what some would like it to be.
A psychologist told me that it was important for children to imagine fighting and defeating monsters and dragons and bad wolves.
As they reach teens they need to see other points of view and start butting up against moral dilemmas.
This is where the English teacher is absolutely pivotal in showing how to empathise if not sympathise with agents bad and good.
There is a lot of excellent writing encoding the wisdom of the village and we excise it at our peril.

Not just the English teacher. Some of us teach other languages. My 9th graders are currently finishing the story of Jupiter and Io from Ovid's Metamorphoses. The conversations have been incredible, ranging from patriarchal societies, misogyny, why unmarried Greek girls were so often described as victims of the gods after big festivals, how the goddesses, despite being victims, often outwitted the gods (in evolved poetry such as Ovid's), and how power corrupts.

[argonsagas]

Not just the English teacher. Some of us teach other languages. My 9th graders are currently finishing the story of Jupiter and Io from Ovid's Metamorphoses. The conversations have been incredible, ranging from patriarchal societies, misogyny, why unmarried Greek girls were so often described as victims of the gods after big festivals, how the goddesses, despite being victims, often outwitted the gods (in evolved poetry such as Ovid's), and how power corrupts.

Sounds much like an historical version of Hollywood and metoo.

[GS1150Pilot]

Sounds much like an historical version of Hollywood and metoo.

It sounds like a class dealing with ancient poetry via current concepts. Education is meaningless without three things: Rigor, Relevance, and Relationships. It is easy for the old guard of white males to protect their antiquated notions, but when that is all that is available, it is just as easy for modern students (more and more of whom are female, LGBTQ, or simply open-minded) to turn their backs on the material that for so long supported those notions. In a story where rape, infidelity, and the status of the victim figure so prominently, only the tone deaf would tiptoe through the daisies in support of the status quo. The class in which this material is speaking so loudly is 70% female and very aware of the world into which they are emerging.

[GS1150Pilot]

I wonder, Ron, whether you can see how those antiquated notions of old white conservative men have enforced and even driven suicides among women over the ages.

This article focuses primarily on the toxic effects of patriarchy on Indian females, which works for me, since over 70% of my students are Asian with the majority being Indian.

https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/how-patriarchy-and-gender-roles-contribute-mental-health-issues-indian-women-67688

Until the current bastion of fear-led "strong" men either learn (unlikely) or are swept away by irrelevance after death, this issue will remain a constant.

[argonsagas]

I wonder, Ron, whether you can see how those antiquated notions of old white conservative men have enforced and even driven suicides among women over the ages.

This article focuses primarily on the toxic effects of patriarchy on Indian females, which works for me, since over 70% of my students are Asian with the majority being Indian.

https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/how-patriarchy-and-gender-roles-contribute-mental-health-issues-indian-women-67688

Until the current bastion of fear-led "strong" men either learn (unlikely) or are swept away by irrelevance after death, this issue will remain a constant.

Yes, I can readily see that. Class distinctions and divisions existed then, and, while the form or format has altered over time, they continue to do so today.
In fact, that is why I made the comparison, as it appears little has changed through the passing of many centuries, and that applies to most countries, both currently and historically. .



You mentioned Indians and how they perceive the subject, both past and present. The views they hold can...and almost certainly will....be coloured by their own history and that history creates conflict between the old and new even now..
It is sometimes difficult to get them to separate Britain from the much deeper reality of their own thirty centuries-old history.

Personal associations have made me aware of the plight of many Indians and the debacle that has persisted throughout those centuries. .
Despite it being outlawed, caste continues to be perhaps the most powerful thing in the lives and minds of an overwhelming number of Indians.
Whether inside India or anywhere to which they migrate(d) caste is an insidious and hateful thing upon which a great many construct and conduct their daily lives, and they absolutely refuse to let go of it.


Everything you mentioned was, and still is, applicable today.
All that is within the article you gave is also greatly affected by caste, yet when it is mentioned common responses are to shy away, or run away, from discussing it or be coldly dismissive of anyone who poses it for discussion..

Against caste, Metoo, (and anyone else who gives voice to such thoughts or ideas,) faces a formidable opponent.