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    Kaw H2

    Anyone read the write-up of the new Kawasaki H2 and H2R in the December Cycle World?

    It's a huge technological leap. My guess is that Honda is the only one with the resources to even come close within ten years.
    1982 GS1100E V&H "SS" exhaust, APE pods, 1150 oil cooler, 140 speedo, 99.3 rear wheel HP, black engine, '83 red

    2016 XL883L sigpic Two-tone blue and white. Almost 42 hp! Status: destroyed, now owned by the insurance company. The hole in my memory starts an hour before the accident and ends 24 hours after.
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    I think you can put me down for one. heh
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      #3
      ten years? what planet are you on?????? you can bet your ass they already have something far superior to the H2 in the pipeline and are just biding their time. they have just launched the RCV213-S road bike which isnt far off the H2 and it is normally aspirated.
      You should realize these massive Japanese companies spend millions in R&D and they are probably working now on bikes they dont intend to release to the public for at least another 5 years!
      1978 GS1085.

      Just remember, an opinion without 3.14 is just an onion!

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        #4
        Originally posted by Rob S. View Post
        Anyone read the write-up of the new Kawasaki H2 and H2R in the December Cycle World?

        It's a huge technological leap. My guess is that Honda is the only one with the resources to even come close within ten years.

        Yeah it's a leap alright. Just wait until the squids start buying them and well...think you can guess the rest. Uncle Fed will start the anit HP wars all over again. The new H2 isn't doing us any favors.
        sigpicMrBill Been a GSR member on and off since April 2002
        1980 GS 750E Bought new in Feb of 1980
        2015 CAN AM RTS


        Stuff I've done to my bike:dancing: 1100E front end with new Sonic springs, 1100E swing arm conversion with new Progressive shocks installed, 530 sprockets/chain conversion, new SS brake lines, new brake pads. New SS fasteners through out. Rebuilt carbs, new EBC clutch springs and horn installed. New paint. Motor runs strong.

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          #5
          Hand grenades and babies..........

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            #6
            Doubtful too many squids on the road will have the resources to afford one of these babies. Hell, I don't have the money for one these things. I think I read $50K and up for the H2R and 30k for the street version. The real question is what will they do to the power output for the street version. For 30k, it better be more than whats already available for 10K less (i.e just over 200hp naturally aspirated).
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            1989 Kawasaki ZX-7 Ninja
            2016 Ducati Scrambler Full Throttle

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              #7
              The unveiling on Jay Leno's Garage.......
              2015 Kawasaki Ninja H2 and H2R - Jay Leno's Garage
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAo0LWQFxdE
              Kawasaki's Kevin Allen unveils the street and track versions of the world's first supercharged, super sport motorcycle for a mind-blowing exclusive first loo...
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                #8
                How exactly is it a "huge technological leap" ?

                Superchargers have been used pretty much forever in cars. Mercedes released the first production cars with blowers back in the 1920's (the first Kompressor).

                Other than that, it's a trellis frame and some swanky shaped carbon fibre.
                Current:
                Z1300A5 Locomotive (swapped my Intruder for it), GS450 Cafe Project (might never finish it....), XT500 Commuter (I know - it's a Yamaha :eek:)

                Past:
                VL1500 Intruder (swapped for Z1300), ZX9R Streetfighter (lets face it - too fast....), 1984 GSX750EF, 1984 GSX1100EF (AKA GS1150)
                And a bunch of other crap Yamahas....

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                  #9
                  Read the article. The blower was designed for this bike by Kaw Heavy Industries turbine co. It has no inter cooler. This is not the ZX-10R engine with a supercharger stuck on.

                  Read the article. I don't understand all of it, but I'm convinced it's very advanced.

                  Don't knock it before you know. Read the article and then knock it.
                  1982 GS1100E V&H "SS" exhaust, APE pods, 1150 oil cooler, 140 speedo, 99.3 rear wheel HP, black engine, '83 red

                  2016 XL883L sigpic Two-tone blue and white. Almost 42 hp! Status: destroyed, now owned by the insurance company. The hole in my memory starts an hour before the accident and ends 24 hours after.

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                    I wonder if I will need a front fork brace if I retrofit this to my GS1100EX frame?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Rob S. View Post
                      Read the article. The blower was designed for this bike by Kaw Heavy Industries turbine co. It has no inter cooler. This is not the ZX-10R engine with a supercharger stuck on.

                      Read the article. I don't understand all of it, but I'm convinced it's very advanced.

                      Don't knock it before you know. Read the article and then knock it.
                      I've read a lot of stuff about the H2. I was actiually hopeful it was going to be a direct injected blown 2 stroke, but alas when all the secrecy and hype was revealed it was a 4 cyl, 4 stroke litre motor.

                      By the way - you don't need an intercooler for a supercharger - they use them on turbos to cool the intake air after it has been heated by the red hot turbine.

                      Forced induction is not new - guys are getting 400-500hp out of turbo'd Hayabusas now so 300hp out of a 1000 cc blown motor is almost "conservative" by comparison.
                      Current:
                      Z1300A5 Locomotive (swapped my Intruder for it), GS450 Cafe Project (might never finish it....), XT500 Commuter (I know - it's a Yamaha :eek:)

                      Past:
                      VL1500 Intruder (swapped for Z1300), ZX9R Streetfighter (lets face it - too fast....), 1984 GSX750EF, 1984 GSX1100EF (AKA GS1150)
                      And a bunch of other crap Yamahas....

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Rob S. View Post
                        Read the article. The blower was designed for this bike by Kaw Heavy Industries turbine co. It has no inter cooler. This is not the ZX-10R engine with a supercharger stuck on.

                        Read the article. I don't understand all of it, but I'm convinced it's very advanced.

                        Don't knock it before you know. Read the article and then knock it.
                        As mentioned earlier packing a denser charge into the cylinder is nothing new and in fact is the norm these days whether that is achieved by turbo or SC, not having an inter cooler just means two things, the compressed charge is not as dense as it would be if it were cooled thus meaning inefficiency and the charge that does get there is hotter thus being harder on the combustion parts, but if the engine is over engineered enough to handle the extra ignition then all's good intercooler or no intercooler.
                        Not much has advanced since internal combustion engines were invented just that they have been refined and refined. There is nothing new about superchargers on motorcycles.
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                          #13
                          How soon do you think it will be before another big bike company offers something comparable?

                          Remember, this is a liter-bike, with the size and weight of modern sportbikes, will be (semi) mass produced, and presumably come with some sort of warranty.

                          The point being that it's not an almost-600-pound Busa or ZX-14.

                          For whatever reason (government, market, etc.), I think it will be a long time before this is bested.
                          1982 GS1100E V&H "SS" exhaust, APE pods, 1150 oil cooler, 140 speedo, 99.3 rear wheel HP, black engine, '83 red

                          2016 XL883L sigpic Two-tone blue and white. Almost 42 hp! Status: destroyed, now owned by the insurance company. The hole in my memory starts an hour before the accident and ends 24 hours after.

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                            #14
                            Honda has been rumoured to release a road going version of the RCV GP bike for a while now, and Ducati has had the Desmosedici out for a few years. The Ducati puts out around 200hp and the Honda would be around 250hp (or so the rumours go).

                            If the H2 road going version is around 220hp (which is what the critics are predicting), then it's not a big ask for the other manufacturers to put out a bike with the same or better HP.
                            Current:
                            Z1300A5 Locomotive (swapped my Intruder for it), GS450 Cafe Project (might never finish it....), XT500 Commuter (I know - it's a Yamaha :eek:)

                            Past:
                            VL1500 Intruder (swapped for Z1300), ZX9R Streetfighter (lets face it - too fast....), 1984 GSX750EF, 1984 GSX1100EF (AKA GS1150)
                            And a bunch of other crap Yamahas....

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                              #15
                              The other thing to consider is that a bike with over 200hp is pretty much unrideable without traction control. You'll only see about 150hp delivered to the rear wheel at the best of times, let alone the full monty.

                              It's another pi$$ing contest of who has the biggest HP, not so much who has the more rideable bike package.
                              Current:
                              Z1300A5 Locomotive (swapped my Intruder for it), GS450 Cafe Project (might never finish it....), XT500 Commuter (I know - it's a Yamaha :eek:)

                              Past:
                              VL1500 Intruder (swapped for Z1300), ZX9R Streetfighter (lets face it - too fast....), 1984 GSX750EF, 1984 GSX1100EF (AKA GS1150)
                              And a bunch of other crap Yamahas....

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