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    probably dumb newbie question.....

    on my 'new' 81 450t, what is the function of the four chrome caps on the head cover? i'm in the process of replacing the head cover gasket to stop an oil leak, but now i'm suspicious of the left front cap. all help is greatly appreciated.

    #2
    Purely decorative.

    When you remove the valve cover, they will lift off with the cover, no need to try to take them off ahead of time.

    When you change your valve cover gasket, you should also change the "half-moons" that are hiding behind those chrome caps.

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    hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
    #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
    #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
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      #3
      Originally posted by Steve View Post
      Purely decorative.

      When you remove the valve cover, they will lift off with the cover, no need to try to take them off ahead of time.

      When you change your valve cover gasket, you should also change the "half-moons" that are hiding behind those chrome caps.

      .
      i wondered about those little biscuits. how are they held on? one actually bailed on me when i pulled the cover.
      Last edited by Guest; 07-10-2012, 07:43 PM. Reason: spelling like a champ

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        #4
        Originally posted by doubledeuce View Post
        i wondered about those little biscuits. how are they held on?
        Gravity and friction.

        If you don't have new ones, you can apply a VERY LIGHT coat of sealer on the curved portion only, set them in place, then put the gasket and cover back on.

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        sigpic
        mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
        hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
        #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
        #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
        Family Portrait
        Siblings and Spouses
        Mom's first ride
        Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
        (Click on my username in the upper-left corner for e-mail info.)

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          #5
          steve, i thank you muchly.

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            #6
            While you have the cover off, you going to check your valve clearances?

            You really should. Then read my sig.

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            sigpic
            mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
            hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
            #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
            #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
            Family Portrait
            Siblings and Spouses
            Mom's first ride
            Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
            (Click on my username in the upper-left corner for e-mail info.)

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              #7
              i'm honestly terrified to start messing with tolerances. i don't have that much confidence in my mechanical aptitude. my goal is just to keep the oil on the inside of the engine. at least most of it.

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                #8
                Originally posted by doubledeuce View Post
                i'm honestly terrified to start messing with tolerances. i don't have that much confidence in my mechanical aptitude. my goal is just to keep the oil on the inside of the engine. at least most of it.
                If you haven't seen it yet, click here:

                http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=196338 and read through things like valve clearance checks.

                Take your time, be careful, measure twice, and you seriously can't screw up with just measuring the clearances.

                The real golden rule with changing shims if you need to is *do not rotate the engine with any shims removed*.

                I rebuilt my 450 from the ground up with assistance from this forum, the Clymer, Haynes, and factory manuals.

                Prior to doing that, I had changed oil, gapped spark plugs, and set the mixture screws on the carbs. That's it. No mechanical experience... and I'm an IT geek to boot...

                And yes, definitely get Steve's spreadsheet! It will help you immensely...
                1982 GS450E - The Wee Beastie
                1984 GSX750S Katana 7/11 - Kit Kat - BOTM May 2020

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                450 Refresh thread: https://www.thegsresources.com/_foru...-GS450-Refresh

                Katana 7/11 thread: http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...84-Katana-7-11

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by doubledeuce View Post
                  i'm honestly terrified to start messing with tolerances. i don't have that much confidence in my mechanical aptitude. my goal is just to keep the oil on the inside of the engine. at least most of it.
                  Checking tolerances is so easy, even a doubledeuce can do it.

                  Personally, I would be more terrified of what can happen to the engine when valve clearances are neglected.

                  You are allready THERE, just stick the feeler gauge in and see what you have. Most guys put it off until they can scrape up the cash for a valve cover gasket, then find the time to tackle the project, but you are THERE, it's only a few more minutes to check the clearances. Even if you don't do anything else about them, you will KNOW whether they are good or not. If they need to be adjusted, no problem, just ask the next set of questions.

                  And, ... if you're not that confident in your mechanical aptitude, why did you get a 31-year-old motorcycle?

                  .
                  sigpic
                  mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
                  hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
                  #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
                  #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
                  Family Portrait
                  Siblings and Spouses
                  Mom's first ride
                  Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
                  (Click on my username in the upper-left corner for e-mail info.)

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                    #10
                    Doubledeuce, where are you located? It would be a good idea to put your location in your profile so if one of us is close by we can possibly lend a hand.
                    Cowboy Up or Quit. - Run Free Lou and Rest in Peace

                    1981 GS550T - My First
                    1981 GS550L - My Eldest Daughter's - Now Sold
                    2007 GSF1250SA Bandit - My touring bike

                    Sit tall in the saddle Hold your head up high
                    Keep your eyes fixed where the trail meets the sky and live like you ain't afraid to die
                    and don't be scared, just enjoy your ride - Chris Ledoux, "The Ride"

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Steve View Post
                      if you're not that confident in your mechanical aptitude, why did you get a 31-year-old motorcycle?

                      .
                      because i paid 250 bucks for it, and taught myself how to ride it. i figured; if i stuff it, i'm out a total of $300. and possibly deceased.
                      so far, it only left me walking once when a fuel line disintegrated. otherwise, all good for about 700 miles so far. i'll borrow the feeler gauges from work tomorrow, and give it a whirl. but if it spontaneously combusts while i'm checking clearance, i'm going to be totally pist at you guys.
                      Last edited by Guest; 07-12-2012, 01:37 AM. Reason: can't use the word p i s s e d, i guess.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by doubledeuce View Post
                        because i paid 250 bucks for it, and taught myself how to ride it. i figured; if i stuff it, i'm out a total of $300. and possibly deceased.
                        so far, it only left me walking once when a fuel line disintegrated. otherwise, all good for about 700 miles so far. i'll borrow the feeler gauges from work tomorrow, and give it a whirl. but if it spontaneously combusts while i'm checking clearance, i'm going to be totally pist at you guys.
                        Hahahahaaha just no naked flames near the carbs or fuel tank ok?

                        Just don't rush it and make sure you get the cam lobes oriented correctly as instructed in the manuals and guides...
                        1982 GS450E - The Wee Beastie
                        1984 GSX750S Katana 7/11 - Kit Kat - BOTM May 2020

                        sigpic

                        450 Refresh thread: https://www.thegsresources.com/_foru...-GS450-Refresh

                        Katana 7/11 thread: http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...84-Katana-7-11

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Steve View Post
                          Checking tolerances is so easy, even a doubledeuce can do it.

                          You are allready THERE, just stick the feeler gauge in and see what you have. Most guys put it off until they can scrape up the cash for a valve cover gasket, then find the time to tackle the project, but you are THERE, it's only a few more minutes to check the clearances. Even if you don't do anything else about them, you will KNOW whether they are good or not. If they need to be adjusted, no problem, just ask the next set of questions.
                          .
                          When Tim Tom and his brother were here and we were changing the leaking gasket,
                          I said that we were going to check the valve lash as we were there anyway.
                          Tim said that he had adjusted them before he left New Jersey just 2700 miles ago.
                          I insisted that we check them and found 6 that could use adjustments!
                          His bike is much happier now for the 4000 or so miles before he gets back to Jersey.

                          Eric

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                            #14
                            Some manuals specify a check every 3000, I have seen others that say 4000.

                            2700 is right close to the 3000 mark, so GOOD CALL.

                            .
                            sigpic
                            mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
                            hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
                            #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
                            #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
                            Family Portrait
                            Siblings and Spouses
                            Mom's first ride
                            Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
                            (Click on my username in the upper-left corner for e-mail info.)

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Steve View Post
                              And, ... if you're not that confident in your mechanical aptitude, why did you get a 31-year-old motorcycle?
                              Everyone has to start somewhere.

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