clutch rod seal install.

[Wallowgreen]

Maybe you've already dug out this old thread of mine and read it but I suspect the 450 may have gone through the same or similar evolution as with the 250 engine cases. Look at post #26, it describes how the engine cases of the 250 are of two types - early and late. The early cases only accept a lipped type oil seal as they cannot be modified to use the later non-lipped oil seal and retaining plate. Confusion is easy as both seals have valid part numbers for the machine.

http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/showthread.php?153348-Need-opinions-on-a-clutch-shaft-oil-seal-puzzle&highlight=oil+seal

It's possible the seal has already been changed once using the later non-lipped seal likely glued or gooped in somehow when the early lipped seal should have been used. Obviously means splitting the cases to fit tho and likely why the short cut was done.

Not the answer you're looking for I know but that's my guess.

[ottawa rogue]

I did run across your thread wallogreen, and that thought had crossed my mind.
Man, I don't want to have to split the engine if ibdont have to.
Is the flanged seal even still available?

[Wallowgreen]

It was when I was looking for the 250, few years ago now though boy how time flies.

It'll take some digging to find it I suspect, seem to recall all I could find was the non-flanged on parts lists.

[Sandy]

Just thought and could be a bit of a bodge but what if you could get a very large washer and make some sort of retainer from it. There looks to be enough material between the clutch pushrod and the counter shaft sprocket to drill and tap a shallow hole and maybe you find a spot towards the front to do same. Odd that there's that much pressure behind the seal as many motorcycles just use a regular push in seal. Oh well, hopefully you don't have to split the cases. Not that big of job but can be intimidating if you've never done it.

[Nessism]

Just thought and could be a bit of a bodge but what if you could get a very large washer and make some sort of retainer from it. There looks to be enough material between the clutch pushrod and the counter shaft sprocket to drill and tap a shallow hole and maybe you find a spot towards the front to do same. Odd that there's that much pressure behind the seal as many motorcycles just use a regular push in seal. Oh well, hopefully you don't have to split the cases. Not that big of job but can be intimidating if you've never done it.

There is oil flow coming from the pump flowing right down the pushrod hole.

[ottawa rogue]

Here's the engine number. I'm gonna try this one more time with the new style seal and some anaerobic sealer.
My Suzuki dealer is gonna laugh when I order another seal tomorrow😁

[Nessism]

Sealer isn't going to hold it if the real retention mechanism is supposed to be a lip on the OD of the seal. I'm afraid you are going to have to figure out a way to attach a retention plate.

[Wallowgreen]

I'm afraid I agree with Ed, sealer isn't going to work I don't think. I tried that with "right stuff" let it sit for 24hrs and it still popped right out as soon as the engine was turned over, made a big mess all over the floor.... again!

[ottawa rogue]

If I have to go to that extreme, I will. But I'm gonna try it this way first. Otherwise I'll be pulling the engine out

[ottawa rogue]

Success!!! Finally got a seal to seal up and stay put. I had to use some rigid flange sealer on it and it's not going anywhere.
Next project is to fab up some bosses for the retainer.
Thanks to everyone for your input and advice.