honda cvcc motor in a suzuki?

[bwringer]

Just to inject another note of oddity into this, I understand you can install buckets and shims from a KZ into a GS engine -- the lifter bores just happen to be the same diameter between certain models. I believe the idea is to lose a bit of weight from the valvetrain by using the KZ's shim-under-bucket configuration, and thus gain a bit more over-rev ability.

But mainly, KZ, GS, and CB engines look somewhat alike for the same reasons that sharks, barracudas, and porpoises look alike at first glance -- convergent evolution. Given the same materials and the same set of problems to solve, engineers will often come up with solutions that are very similar, especially when they share a culture and much of the same training, as was the case in Japan at the time.

Same with the sea creatures -- they all need to swim fast to catch prey underwater, so they ended up looking much the same.

But with both examples, there are very important differences under the outer coverings and few parts in common.

[Texasgs]

arg

Inevitably someone will always come out with some #*xx#* like that. There is one in every crowd. I always say, know what you know, but more importantly know why you know it. So if your source is not reliable and up to date, neither will the info be that you get from the source.

I had someone tell me that my GS1100E motor looked like something out of a space ship, as their little non motor head mind marveled at the finned wonder. Far be it from me to question this person, so that must mean I am the proud owner of some cool ailen hardware. I guess I need to wake up now, Oh and that CVCC thing made me laugh so hard I almost peed my pants. That sounds like something Patric would say on Sponge Bob, right after saying Daaaa, eeeee.

[TeamDar]

[QUOTE=bwringer;1243262]Just to inject another note of oddity into this, I understand you can install buckets and shims from a KZ into a GS engine -- the lifter bores just happen to be the same diameter between certain models. I believe the idea is to lose a bit of weight from the valvetrain by using the KZ's shim-under-bucket configuration, and thus gain a bit more over-rev ability.

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This is not really true. The KZ uses 29mm buckets while the GS uses 29.5mm buckets. You are probably thinking of the KZ650 style shim under style system. You can use the 13mm shim and the matching valve spring retainer from the KZ650 in the GS, but you must buy aftermarket 29.5mm shim under tappets.

[bwringer]

[QUOTE=TeamDar;1243755]

Just to inject another note of oddity into this, I understand you can install buckets and shims from a KZ into a GS engine -- the lifter bores just happen to be the same diameter between certain models. I believe the idea is to lose a bit of weight from the valvetrain by using the KZ's shim-under-bucket configuration, and thus gain a bit more over-rev ability.

QUOTE]
This is not really true. The KZ uses 29mm buckets while the GS uses 29.5mm buckets. You are probably thinking of the KZ650 style shim under style system. You can use the 13mm shim and the matching valve spring retainer from the KZ650 in the GS, but you must buy aftermarket 29.5mm shim under tappets.

Thanks!

It was only a hazy, half-remembered tidbit from some long-ago forum post.

So, everyone: please don't go out and stuff KZ buckets into your GS, mmkay? At least, research it a bit more thoroughly first.

[850 Combat]

Ask him where CVCC is now. It appears to be nothing but an oddity of a footnote in automotive history. I do know that before Honda came out with it, several other companies were experimenting with what was genericly called "stratified charge", which generally had a separate attached combustion chamber with a richer mixture to light off the richer mixture.

Controlled turbulance from squish areas seems to have proven both simpler and more effective.

It is my understanding the Suzuki TSSC cylinder head is similar to the Cosworth DFV, which was one of the most successful racing engines of all time, winning numerous F1 championships over a long period of time, then it was converted to alchahol and turbo and had a long career in indy cars.

CVCC on the other hand is long dead, isn't it?.

i will finally be able to stick it to my brother and his honda-on-the-brain if it works must be a honda attitude he has had lately.