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    80 gs750 won't top out

    I have a 1980 gs750e. It has a 4 into 1 exhaust. It has the stock airbox and filter. it has a dynojet stage 1 kit with DJ116 main jets and the needles are at the 3rd groove from the top. It runs great, sounds great, and accelerates great. It won't quite top out though. In 5th gear the highest rpm i have hit so far is 7,500. It just seems like it should have a bit more top speed too it. Am i maybe running too lean or something near the top? My plugs r a nice brownish tan color near the bottom, but the electrode is whitish grey. Also, it seems like it pulls a bit harder near the top with the airbox lid off. Any thoughts?

    #2
    Maybe someone changed the sprocket ratios, some folks don't like to listen to the engine sing and they change to a lower ratio.

    What are you sprocket sizes, and what are the stock sprocket sizes?

    Also something like a worn chain can slow you down that much.

    You could be too rich too, what do the plug chops tell you?
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      #3
      my rear sprocket is a 41 tooth. I believe that to be the same as stock. I'll have to get back with ya about the front sprocket. i haven't got to it yet. My chain is newer and is in perfect conditon. My brakes don't drag at all, they r all new. It's kind of hard to read the plugs, by the time i get back to my garage and shut it off to pull plugs, they r white on the tips from running lean at idle. If I rev the bike to 4-5 rpm in neutral, hold it for a bit, then kill the bike. the plugs have a wonderful tan color all over them, so i would say the midrange is about perfect. I'm just having trouble near the top of the rpm range. It raps out great in town, in like 2 or 3rd gear. its just when i'm trying to top it out in 5th. It seems like in 5th at high rpm, when i go from 3/4 throttle to full throttle it doesn't pull any harder, it's about the same.

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        #4
        If you're doing plug chops, find a place where you can hammer it, shut if off and coast to a stop and check plugs on the side of the road. A long country road with no traffic sounds good.

        I'm no expert mechanic, but wouldn't an engine wrap out regardless of what size sprocket is on it? The first thing that came to my mind was the spark advance, but then again, I know nothing about rejetting so maybe you're on the right track already.

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          #5
          I drove at full throttle in top gear for about a mile, pulled the clutch, and killed the bike. I pulled over and checked the plugs. The tip of the plugs were whitish gray, the base of the plugs were a bit sooty, and the electrode was a nice whitish brown color. Am i too lean at full throttle?

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            #6
            Originally posted by p_trice View Post
            .... it has a dynojet stage 1 kit with DJ116 main jets ... Any thoughts?
            I think it's running LEAN.

            Let's just put it this way: stock Mikuni jetting in an '80 750 is 112.5. That is the same as a DJ 120. You are running 116s, which are two sizes leaner than stock.

            You should be running Mikuni 120 or DJ 128.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Steve View Post
              I think it's running LEAN.

              Let's just put it this way: stock Mikuni jetting in an '80 750 is 112.5. That is the same as a DJ 120. You are running 116s, which are two sizes leaner than stock.

              You should be running Mikuni 120 or DJ 128.

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              Yes, but the 750 kit comes with a main air jet corrector which changes things. If it was installed that is.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Gonzo View Post
                I'm no expert mechanic, but wouldn't an engine wrap out regardless of what size sprocket is on it?
                No, it takes a certain amount of power to move the bike that fast. If the ratio is too tall, it ain't gonna get there.
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                  #9
                  my stage 1 kit didn't come with air correctors. I believe the stage 3 does though. I will look into getting some bigger main jets. thanks for the advice everyone.

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                    #10
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                    The .pdf file says it comes with DJ120 jets for an aftermarket exhaust, not much bigger but worth a try. Supposed to have a 112.5 Mikuni stock, maybe a 117.5 or 120 mikuni main?

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                      #11
                      i went on the cheap and bought the jet kit off ebay. it didn't come with the DJ120 jets. I guess that's what i get. I'm just going to buy some genuine mikuni 120 jets. These should work right?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by p_trice View Post
                        i went on the cheap and bought the jet kit off ebay. it didn't come with the DJ120 jets. I guess that's what i get. I'm just going to buy some genuine mikuni 120 jets. These should work right?
                        Those are small round, you need large round. The pic isnt right.
                        A 120 mikuni main is closer to a 130 DJ main

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                          #13
                          so i need a large round jet. what size should i go with? 115?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by p_trice View Post
                            so i need a large round jet. what size should i go with? 115?
                            Wouldn't it be nice if someone suggested a size?


                            From post #6:
                            Originally posted by Steve View Post
                            You should be running Mikuni 120 or DJ 128.
                            and from post #10:
                            Originally posted by gearhead13 View Post
                            ..., maybe a 117.5 or 120 mikuni main?


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                            hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
                            #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
                            #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
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                            Mom's first ride
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                              #15
                              k, will do

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