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    Cam chain tensioner surprise

    The back story: last fall I bought a 1982 GSX750S Katana as is. It was running well but wouldn’t pass a safety (turn signals buggered up for one thing) so I borrowed a license plate from my other bike and rode it home. It was to be my winter project. It was in good condition but needed a deep cleaning and the maintenance due a 36 year old bike. So I tore it apart and cleaned it up, replaced a lot of parts, stripped/dipped the carbs, adjusted the valve clearances, etc. It’s now back together and I’m ready to get it safetied and on the road again.

    One thing that sounded “off” to me when it was running was noise from the top end. I assumed that maybe it was because there are 16 valves slamming up and down in there and my old bike had 8. So I let it slide. Then I read a post from another member with a GSX750 experiencing top end noise that sounded similar to mine. He mentioned an issue with the cam chain tensioner, so I thought I’d dig into that. I did remove it over the winter but the plunger moved smoothly so I just reinstalled it. In retrospect I should have examined it more closely.

    So tonight I dug out the manual and removed the tensioner again (with the carbs installed - a real pain in the butt). Upon closer inspection the tension spring didn’t look “right”. I wasn’t sure why exactly so I decided to disassemble the entire unit. As it it turns out, whomever disassembled it in the past reassembled it with the tension spring turned in the wrong direction - clockwise! That’s why the spring looked odd. The manual clearly states to turn the spring one full turn counterclockwise before tightening the nut. So I reassembled per the manual (one turn counterclockwise!) and reinstalled it, again per the manual.

    It’s too late to start it up and make noise tonight so I’ll do it tomorrow after work. Maybe this will take care of the excess top end noise. I wonder how long it was running with the tensioner like that?

    Anyhow, apologies for the novel. I was just very surprised to find this problem, and hopefully I’ve solved it!

    #2
    Aw man. Now I'm going to have that stuck in my head all day and until I go out and poke at it.
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      #3
      yes, I'll have to go out too to see how this was possible ? ??? it takes awhile to visualise ....I hope I have it right! I guess you are saying that the automatic tensioner was essentially disabled because the spring at the lockshaft's knurled wheel had been prewound the wrong way when somebody assembled it...so that the LOCKSHAFT was not advancing "hard" enough to stop the pushrod from bouncing back.


      if I have this right ,that's a good catch, Skinner!

      CamchainTensioner-good diagram(gs650gManual).jpg

      At firstI thought you were turning the spring around end to end to make a clockwise spring into an anti-clockwise one but that's impossible on this spring ! (even though a spiral, like a clock spring, can be reversed by flipping it over...argh)

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        #4
        Originally posted by Gorminrider View Post
        yes, I'll have to go out too to see how this was possible ? ??? it takes awhile to visualise ....I hope I have it right! I guess you are saying that the automatic tensioner was essentially disabled because the spring at the lockshaft's knurled wheel had been prewound the wrong way when somebody assembled it...so that the LOCKSHAFT was not advancing "hard" enough to stop the pushrod from bouncing back.
        That's exactly what I'm saying. When I looked at the spring, the coils were uneven and spaced wider apart than what I thought looked correct. That's the best way I can describe it. I had my suspicions as I disassembled the unit, and they were confirmed when I reassembled it correctly. Everything fell into place, and the spring "looked" like I expected it to. Hopefully there's been no damage done, other than some excess top end noise. I'll start it up tonight and see if this makes any difference.
        Last edited by Skinner; 04-12-2018, 01:08 PM. Reason: Spelling - doh!

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          #5
          Well, I just got home from work and started it up. It sounds great - the top end rattling noise is gone! Very happy that it was a "relatively" easy solution, but I wouldn't have gotten there if it wasn't for that other thread.

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            #6
            Well done with the diagnosis and the repair, Skinner.
            Hopefully this upcoming week of rotten weather will be the end of it and we can at least think about riding.
            2@ \'78 GS1000

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              #7
              the coils were uneven and spaced wider apart than what I thought looked correct.
              AHA! an essential clue! something to note for sure. though it's good to be reminded to check the assembly prewind whatever....the devil is in those details! Good oh!

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                #8
                Replace the rubber seal inside it, its a common leak.
                1981 GS650G , all the bike you need
                1980 GS1000G Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by duaneage View Post
                  Replace the rubber seal inside it, its a common leak.
                  Yep!

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