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    #16
    Originally posted by phydeauxmutt View Post
    You have all that correct, but you forgot one critical part.

    Even the best of us are not able to remove that broken bolt, fill the hole that was improperly drilled, then drill and re-tap a proper hole for the proper bolt. You will have to take that to a machinist, and the bill there will probably be more than what you spent for the bike. You will also spend at least that much for all the proper gaskets.

    With your lack of finances and apparent mechanical expertise, are you SURE you want to tackle this?
    No harm in asking. I plan to ask around at local machine shops, but couldn't today, with it being Sunday. If it costs more than buying a new head, then I'll just buy a new head. Found one on eBay, but I'll have to wait until next month, when my next disability check comes in: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-SUZUKI...m2108#viTabs_0
    Last edited by ZombiePotatoSalad; 05-17-2020, 05:05 PM.
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      #17
      Originally posted by allojohn View Post
      OK, you should live with the leaky valve cover gasket and work on getting the bike running better. Again, the broken bolt can wait and is not contributing to the poor running conditions. Your focus now is the valve shims - you have to get this right or all else will be adversely affected. At a later date replacing the valve gasket with a Tennessee Real Gasket may stem the leak. Heck, I'll have one sent to you.
      I know, but I have to wait until at least the 3rd of next month, when my deposit comes in, in order to buy valve shims. Most sites that sell them individually are sold out, but I believe dimecitycycles sells them individually. Speaking of shims (since no one is replying to my last thread), I swapped Intake #1 with Intake #4 (2.70 and 2.60X, respectively). Intake #1 now has light drag at 0.04 and 0.03, my two thinnest blades (I don't remember if there's 2 zeros, or just one, and I can't be bothered to go back downstairs to check. I just pushed a Ninja EX500 across slick plywood and soft ground, and then came upstairs, I'm drained). But yeah, I don't know which to mark it as.
      And I was told that air leaks will bork up how an engine runs. I can get the proper valve shims, but will still have that misaligned hole. A screw goes in it, yes. But it doesn't bite well now that I removed it again.
      Last edited by ZombiePotatoSalad; 05-17-2020, 05:13 PM.
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        #18
        Hm, seems there's a bit of history with this one...


        FWIW, you can reach the intake boot screws with a drill with the engine in the frame.

        I've used a right-angle adapter, but a right angle drill is maybe $25 with a coupon at Harbor Freight and would be the better way to go.

        HF also has a set of left-handed drill bits that work quite well.

        Of course, there's a lot of technique involved in doing this successfully.

        But there's no way I would even consider removing an engine or a cylinder head just for a broken intake boot screw.
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          #19
          Somehow I missed the broken bolt is on an intake boot, thought it was a valve cover bolt. Never mind, move along now...
          -Mal

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            #20
            Originally posted by bwringer View Post
            Hm, seems there's a bit of history with this one...


            FWIW, you can reach the intake boot screws with a drill with the engine in the frame.

            I've used a right-angle adapter, but a right angle drill is maybe $25 with a coupon at Harbor Freight and would be the better way to go.

            HF also has a set of left-handed drill bits that work quite well.

            Of course, there's a lot of technique involved in doing this successfully.

            But there's no way I would even consider removing an engine or a cylinder head just for a broken intake boot screw.
            That's what I've been doing, with a regular drill. Something of a pain, and that's probably why the new hole is off center.
            That right angle drill looks like it would solve a lot of problems...
            But it will have to wait until next month.
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              #21
              Originally posted by ZombiePotatoSalad View Post
              That's what I've been doing, with a regular drill. Something of a pain, and that's probably why the new hole is off center.
              That right angle drill looks like it would solve a lot of problems...
              But it will have to wait until next month.
              I don't know about the 550 but on the GS1000 I got a straight shot at those screws and removed them with my Vessel impact driver without stripping them by removing the rear wheel, inner fender and battery box. If you can do that on the 550 it would be a lot easier than removing the head.
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                #22
                Originally posted by ZombiePotatoSalad View Post
                No harm in asking. I plan to ask around at local machine shops, but couldn't today, with it being Sunday. If it costs more than buying a new head, then I'll just buy a new head. Found one on eBay, but I'll have to wait until next month, when my next disability check comes in: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-SUZUKI...m2108#viTabs_0

                This Head you linked on ebay has more problems then you already have. At least one bent valve, and at least 2 exhaust bolt holes that have been heli-coiled. the other 6 are suspect. I'd stay away from that one.
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Sandy View Post
                  I don't know about the 550 but on the GS1000 I got a straight shot at those screws and removed them with my Vessel impact driver without stripping them by removing the rear wheel, inner fender and battery box. If you can do that on the 550 it would be a lot easier than removing the head.
                  I had to remove the carburetor and the plastic thing that links the carburetor and airbox. Still something of a tight fit for a regular drill and bit.
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