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    Should I be worried?

    82 gs1100e, at times when riding when shift from 1st to 2nd it shifts but then goes back to neutral at times. Doesn't do it all the time. Like yesterday did not do it. Today it shifted to second and not even horsing on it. Went to second then rev out when went to neutral and then let off it shifted in second and caught again. Went to lift the lever up and went into 3rd so I know it was in second again.

    It been an issues since I got the bike going. It only seems to do when shifting into 2nd. I never had it happen when it in 2nd and cruising around in town.

    Main question is it something to worry about that I should tear it down and inspect or it is normal for to do it
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    Not Normal.

    I'd try to rule out things on the outside of the engine first:

    Is the clutch cable in good condition?
    Is the clutch cable properly adjusted per your owner's manual? (see BikeCliff's website if you don't have one.)
    Is the clutch cable properly lubricated?
    Is the clutch cable properly routed from the lever, through the frame to the actuating arm per the Suzuki Factory Service Manual (see BikeCliff's website if you don't have one.)
    Rich
    1982 GS 750TZ
    2015 Triumph Tiger 1200
    BikeCliff's / Charging System Sorted / Posting Pics
    Destroy-Rebuild 750T/ Destroy-Rebuild part deux

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      #3
      Originally posted by suzukigs1100ez View Post
      82 gs1100e, at times when riding when shift from 1st to 2nd it shifts but then goes back to neutral at times. Doesn't do it all the time. Like yesterday did not do it. Today it shifted to second and not even horsing on it. Went to second then rev out when went to neutral and then let off it shifted in second and caught again. Went to lift the lever up and went into 3rd so I know it was in second again.

      It been an issues since I got the bike going. It only seems to do when shifting into 2nd. I never had it happen when it in 2nd and cruising around in town.

      Main question is it something to worry about that I should tear it down and inspect or it is normal for to do it
      I would say it is not normal. We have similar bikes. My bike use to shift perfectly but recently it takes more force to shift especially from 2nd to 3rd. I noticed my shift linkage is worn and my shifter is sloppy on the stud that is welded to the frame. What condition is your linkage in ? These parts are no longer available OEM. I wonder what other people have done to address this problem. I thought about buying a universal linkage kit if one is available.
      1983 gs1100ed restro-mod. 1998 gsxr 1100 almost mint, 2019 kawasaki klx250, 2011 Beta 250 evo trials bike, 2017 Montesa 300rr trials bike, 2021 honda crf250rx woods weapon

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        #4
        Sorry, my bad. I think we have different problems. Your problem sounds like a weak shifter spring. I have never changed one on a GS, but on most bikes you can access them by removing the clutch basket.
        1983 gs1100ed restro-mod. 1998 gsxr 1100 almost mint, 2019 kawasaki klx250, 2011 Beta 250 evo trials bike, 2017 Montesa 300rr trials bike, 2021 honda crf250rx woods weapon

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          #5
          Could also be worn dogs on 2nd gear. Been there. Popping out of second into neutral with some power.
          Bob T. ~~ Play the GSR weekly photo game: Pic of Week Game
          '83 GS1100E ~ '24 Triumph Speed 400 ~ '01 TRIUMPH TT600 ~ '67 HONDA CUB

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            #6
            Or you're being too easy when lifting your foot......I've been there. I would carefully slide the lever off the shaft and index it down one spline. Bet you lift a bit firmer it goes away.
            MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
            1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

            NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


            I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Baatfam View Post
              Could also be worn dogs on 2nd gear. Been there. Popping out of second into neutral with some power.
              Yep, I had one like that thanks to the PO being a clutchless changer.
              Total asshat.
              ---- Dave

              Only a dog knows why a motorcyclist sticks his head out of a car window

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                #8
                Originally posted by suzukigs1100ez View Post
                ...is it something to worry about that I should tear it down and inspect or it is normal for to do it
                Dear fellow 11EZ rider:

                It is not normal, so you should fix it. But I wouldn't go so far as to say you should worry about it. After all, it is 1982 and you are king of the road.

                My brand spanking new Z28 (Indy Pace Car replica) used to shift from fourth to neutral of it's own volition on off ramps or approaching stop lights. I had the habit of throwing my '68 Camaro into neutral as I approached stops, and being a, shall we say, Grateful Dead fan, I was left wondering, Urkel style, "Did I do that?"

                Chevrolet dealer, sounding like he had a few chromosomes missing: "Duh, we cain't find nothing wrong with it. Never seen one do that afore."

                When I eventually bought the shop manual, it had a list of no less than 12 reasons why it might do that. If your D.I.Y. efforts fail, go to a drag strip. Seek out a builder/racer/tuner of these old dinosaurs. Maybe someone here can put you in touch with Rapidray, last seen on the west coast. I'd bet he could tell you in half a sec what the problem is and how to fix it.
                1982 GS1100E V&H "SS" exhaust, APE pods, 1150 oil cooler, 140 speedo, 99.3 rear wheel HP, black engine, '83 red

                2016 XL883L sigpic Two-tone blue and white. Almost 42 hp! Status: destroyed, now owned by the insurance company. The hole in my memory starts an hour before the accident and ends 24 hours after.

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                  #9
                  Yes, what chuck said. adjust the shift lever lower, You'll actually move the shifter farther without even knowing it.
                  1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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                    #10
                    Dude, it's 2020. You should always be worried...
                    '20 Ducati Multistrada 1260S, '93 Ducati 750SS, '01 SV650S, '07 DL650, '01 DR-Z400S, '80 GS1000S, '85 RZ350

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                      #11
                      Well I tried adjusting the shifter couple times thinking it was that. But can't find a happy place where it good to get my foot still under it. Notice it worst when wearing boats for shoes just trying. Thinking I can feel the shifter better with my shoes.

                      Also had it happen last time I rode it that I thought was in second and left my foot under it a lttile when rev out and ended up into 3rd

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                        #12
                        Definitely check (and double-check) the simple stuff first, but if it's truly engaging into 2nd and popping out, my spider sense says worn gear dogs. (Happened on my '76 Suzuki GT750.)

                        Somewhere I remember reading (Kevin Cameron?) that 1st, 2nd (and maybe 3rd) gear dogs go first b/c they get a lot more use and hard upshifts than other gears.

                        Good luck! (And check the simple stuff first!!!)

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by patrino View Post
                          Definitely check (and double-check) the simple stuff first, but if it's truly engaging into 2nd and popping out, my spider sense says worn gear dogs. (Happened on my '76 Suzuki GT750.)

                          Somewhere I remember reading (Kevin Cameron?) that 1st, 2nd (and maybe 3rd) gear dogs go first b/c they get a lot more use and hard upshifts than other gears.

                          Good luck! (And check the simple stuff first!!!)
                          Yeah, worn dogs and/or slightly bent shift forks. It's typically 2nd gear, some bikes are more prone to it than others.
                          Anybody who ever raced an EX500 either had it or dreaded the day when they would.
                          Last edited by RichDesmond; 10-21-2020, 02:49 PM.
                          '20 Ducati Multistrada 1260S, '93 Ducati 750SS, '01 SV650S, '07 DL650, '01 DR-Z400S, '80 GS1000S, '85 RZ350

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                            #14
                            So been to cold to ride since my last post. So down time this winter would it be worth pulling the motor and spliting the case and check it out. I know the clutch basket spring were worn out and welded in place. But I replace the basket after I found that out. If I split the case do I have pull the cylinder head/jug off or can that be left be.

                            Knowing my luck something bent/broken/worn out inside

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by suzukigs1100ez View Post
                              So been to cold to ride since my last post. So down time this winter would it be worth pulling the motor and spliting the case and check it out. I know the clutch basket spring were worn out and welded in place. But I replace the basket after I found that out. If I split the case do I have pull the cylinder head/jug off or can that be left be.

                              Knowing my luck something bent/broken/worn out inside
                              You can just open it upside down with touching the head at all. Found a few photos...

                              Old trans after splitting the cases


                              Worn dogs


                              Plus, a bent shift fork


                              Cleaned and ready for the replacement parts
                              Last edited by Baatfam; 10-28-2020, 03:52 PM.
                              Bob T. ~~ Play the GSR weekly photo game: Pic of Week Game
                              '83 GS1100E ~ '24 Triumph Speed 400 ~ '01 TRIUMPH TT600 ~ '67 HONDA CUB

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