Exploding dents

[lord1234]

foresight...wisdom...common sense? come on...everyone knows that fumes are just as(if not more so) explosive than gas....thats why you turn your car off and don't smoke cigarettes when at a gas station....


btw, as a recent grad, if your grammar and spelling are up to the level we have seen...you are in DEEP SH!T. Employers will not talk to you if you send them a letter full of mistakes. Your resume will go directly into the "circular inbox"....

So I suggest taking a phonics course.

Gnite. If there was a mod around this thread should almost be deleted just for the fact that it starts off condoning a possibly harmful idea.

[MelodicMetalGod]

I just know that this one is going to end up on Mythbusters.

Amen! Love that show!

Rule of thumb: Gas and heat - bad. Gas and enclosed space and ignition - worse! Never ignite gas in or on your bike...EVER!

Other rule of thumb: If applying heat or spark to the gas tank, ensure that it is 100% free of gas (fumes and liquid) before hand.

Some may consider these rules a bit on the conservative/overly cautious side. My opinion is this: You can always ride with a dented tank but you can't ride if you blow off a body part. :-D

Recommendation: Take it to an expert shop or use a non-combustible method yourself.

[n1elkyfan]

I’m not going to put the same significance on spelling and grammar when replying to a form online then I would put on a résumé.

[Hap Call]

I’m not going to put the same significance on spelling and grammar when replying to a form online then I would put on a résumé.

Same here!

[Zooks]

No difference, writitng is writing. There is a right way and a wrong way. I personally would encourage everybody to always try and write (spell) correctly. It makes the post easier to understand and much easier to read.
We all have a laugh here but I don't think anybody intends any malice.

[jimcor]

For sure. I wasn't trying to be nasty to anyone, goofy, yeah, I was doing that . :-D

I don't want to tell you how many times I've had to look up (sic) 'reccommenndd' on Answers.com for which ones and how many.

[BentRod]

I'm a little concerned about accusations of promoting bad ideas and dangerous behaviour. It's not being promoted, it is being inquired about. anyone who might be considering explosives for body work would in all likely hood read on and decided to not attempt.

concerning the promotion of dangerous behaviour, I do not see how that is an issue. Considering the nature of other threads on this forum concerning behaviour such as running from police, speeding or racing, increasing torque or power output, I do not see how this thread is in any way unusual or particularly threatning. In fact the only thing this thread is guilty of is drawing out a bad grammer joke.

I have one more additional concern, and that is the tone and precident being set by such sensorship of threads and posts. I am under the impression that the mandate of this forum is to share knowledge and experiance, providing answers and advice to anyone wanting to know about or related to GS's. Supposedly, ALL questions and inquiries are welcome, and no question is too stupid, basic, or rediculous. Editing, sensoring, or deletion of this thread would contradict this mandate, in that this thread would be classified as too basic/stupid/rediculous.

A while back I asked this community about helmets, particularly about full face vs 3/4 and value/cost trade offs. perhaps it is also too basic to even wonder if a full helmet is better than a 3/4?

Why is that no one seems to become overly concerned when ever someone cuts into their frame? I have seem many frame modifications posted on this forum about how good they look, or how functional they are, but I am yet to see a discussion about stress/strain calculations, resulting metal crystal structure alteration, creep, or cyclic fatigue, and certainly nothing about how to evaluate, consider or calculate them. some how this sort of behaviour is more acceptable or less concerning than a gas tank fixing trick that is probably not much more dangerous than sticking a cherry bomb under a garbage can.

Don't even get me started on big bore kits

Oh, and buy the way.
ONLY FUMES are flamable. Liquid gas is infact completely harmess. It is only when gas vapours mix with oxygen that potencial chemical energy is created, and combustion is possible. anyone who has ever welded an oil tank will understand.

[jimcor]

I'm a little concerned about accusations of promoting bad ideas and dangerous behaviour. It's not being promoted, it is being inquired about. anyone who might be considering explosives for body work would in all likely hood read on and decided to not attempt.

concerning the promotion of dangerous behaviour, I do not see how that is an issue. Considering the nature of other threads on this forum concerning behaviour such as running from police, speeding or racing, increasing torque or power output, I do not see how this thread is in any way unusual or particularly threatning. In fact the only thing this thread is guilty of is drawing out a bad grammer joke.

I have one more additional concern, and that is the tone and precident being set by such sensorship of threads and posts. I am under the impression that the mandate of this forum is to share knowledge and experiance, providing answers and advice to anyone wanting to know about or related to GS's. Supposedly, ALL questions and inquiries are welcome, and no question is too stupid, basic, or rediculous. Editing, sensoring, or deletion of this thread would contradict this mandate, in that this thread would be classified as too basic/stupid/rediculous.

A while back I asked this community about helmets, particularly about full face vs 3/4 and value/cost trade offs. perhaps it is also too basic to even wonder if a full helmet is better than a 3/4?

Why is that no one seems to become overly concerned when ever someone cuts into their frame? I have seem many frame modifications posted on this forum about how good they look, or how functional they are, but I am yet to see a discussion about stress/strain calculations, resulting metal crystal structure alteration, creep, or cyclic fatigue, and certainly nothing about how to evaluate, consider or calculate them. some how this sort of behaviour is more acceptable or less concerning than a gas tank fixing trick that is probably not much more dangerous than sticking a cherry bomb under a garbage can.

Don't even get me started on big bore kits

Oh, and buy the way.
ONLY FUMES are flamable. Liquid gas is infact completely harmess. It is only when gas vapours mix with oxygen that potencial chemical energy is created, and combustion is possible. anyone who has ever welded an oil tank will understand.

Good for you!

[Bopi]

Never mind this post, i'm just testing a link issue with a thread thats already on top

[MelodicMetalGod]

Oh, and buy the way.
ONLY FUMES are flamable. Liquid gas is infact completely harmess. It is only when gas vapours mix with oxygen that potencial chemical energy is created, and combustion is possible. anyone who has ever welded an oil tank will understand.

True enough. But if you eliminate the presence of the liquid it greatly reduces the possiblity of encountering the fumes by "accident".

Incidentally, I agree that there are other activities on this forum that are not necessarily putting safety first, but lighting up a "small amount" of gas in a tank is an all or nothing proposition. Depending on the variables it might do nothing, it might do something minor, or it might create a bomb, kill the owner, set their bike and home on fire and burn down a row of attached townhouses and the people in them. I, for one, consider it much more dangerous than frame modification (although I would never consider modifying a frame).

[spchips]

hmmm.......

I have the facilities to test this - now I just have to find a gas tank to blow up.

a DC ignitor from a model rocket kit should set it off.

and I have enough air hose to be a safe distance away

[jimcor]

When I was a kid (mid to late 1950s) Dad was burning a pile of leaves in the back yard. The fire got burning well, and he decided to get rid of the last few drops of gasoline in the metal 1 gallon lawnmower gas can he used to start the fire. So he held it over the fire and shook it. The resulting explosion and flame front shot out of the split seem of the can for many feet. This split seem saved him from injury, he wasn't hurt a bit. The can literally exploded in his hand as he held it by the handle. The explosion was heard over a city block away. Two people within my range of vision left their houses to see what happened. The flames did start a grass fire, Dad took off his shirt and used it to smother the fire. This all happened on a Friday evening, I remember, because Mom also ran out of the house to see what happened and after the grass fire was out Dad handed Mom his shirt, Mom opened his smoldering, ruined workshirt and from the buttoned pocket removed the folded cash that he had gotten earlier at the bank...his paycheck for the week. Dad just looked at Mom and me and kinda smiled sickly. How lucky could a man be?

Guys, gasoline is NOTHING to fool with.

In so many ways it is such a safe fuel we forget, two ounces of gasoline in vapour is sufficient to knock down a building.

Bent Rod, this isn't meant for or aimed at you. But I've seen a guy innocently push his luck with gas and come out unscathed, others might not be so lucky. Dad, btw, never forgot that incident, made him a true believer in fuel safety.

[LeeGS550E]

I know you guys have pretty much killed this topic, but I just thought I'd weigh in. If the whole idea of the gasoline and flame thing is to release some gas to pressurize the tank, why not do it with something that isn't so...well...explosive? Like those citric acid pills that you put in water or some vinigar and baking soda, or even dry ice and water (though that makes pretty good bombs in pop bottles, so that could be dangerous too)? It seems like you could get a similar effect out of something less dangerous. I'm guessing the original post was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, and I'm sure most of ya'll have already thought about what I'm posting here. Don't blow yerself up, dude.

[Zooks]

In fact the only thing this thread is guilty of is drawing out a bad grammar joke.

....................too basic/stupid/ridiculous.

ONLY FUMES are flammable.

Anyone who has ever welded an oil tank will understand.

In fact the only thing this thread is guilty of is drawing out a bad grammar joke.

That's for sure - LOL



(just kidding around)

[cberkeley]

Don"t Do It, Just Don"t Do It .....do Not Fool With Gasoline And An Open Flame!