TheCafeKid

[Ironriot]

YER TOO FAR AWAY TO KILL! LOL. Here's one for ya- one of the main reasons for the Daimler takeover of Chrysler was to gain their FWD technology. In the end, they've just used it to make their "4matics" more bulletproof. Eventually, they'll step into the FWD market, and run away with the upper class segment. Just don't tell anyone I told you, kay?

Interesting. Which ones are being considered to moving FWD.... By the way I'm not a fan of FWD. More effecient yeah. But understeer is a b!tch. Plus they feel squirrely in wet conditions

[TheCafeKid]

Interesting. Which ones are being considered to moving FWD.... By the way I'm not a fan of FWD. More effecient yeah. But understeer is a b!tch. Plus they feel squirrely in wet conditions

FWD is for people who dont know how to control a car in drift. Learn to drive idiots. dont punish the rest of the world.

[Ironriot]

[quote=TheCafeKid;737224] FWD is for people who dont know how to control a car in drift. Learn to drive idiots. dont punish the rest of the world.[/quote]

That's also what automatics are for hehe. I never buy anything other than rear wheel drive. And its a shame not alot of cars or trucks don't come standard anymore. I'm waiting for the new Camaro. Rear wheel drive, stick, V8.... What more could you want??????

[hotbox05]

fwd is more controllable in wet conditions and in low traction conditions. I hate fwd but it is more controllable.


and fwd cars generally don;t have understeer , and rwd don;t have over steer almost all cars are VERY neutral . but how you hit the throttle and drive can bring on power on over steer in rwd which is much different than just plain oversteer.

[TheCafeKid]

That too...but i was trying to be not critical of those with autos...ive owned a few auto, just cos thats all they came in. Like my Volvo, the Bens and my Audi all had autos....course they were/are sweet german designed shiftronics, but still they are autos...

[hotbox05]

[quote=Ironriot;737229]

FWD is for people who dont know how to control a car in drift. Learn to drive idiots. dont punish the rest of the world.[/quote]

That's also what automatics are for hehe. I never buy anything other than rear wheel drive. And its a shame not alot of cars or trucks don't come standard anymore. I'm waiting for the new Camaro. Rear wheel drive, stick, V8.... What more could you want??????

gm can't do retro styling very well though.


look at the ssr , hhr and the new camaro , all bastardized conceptions of old classic styles.


the camaro should be nice but in person the proportions are all wrong. i'd gladly take a 69 z28 over the new one any day of the week.

[TheCafeKid]

I've always found...at least for me who grew up with RWD muscle cars and quick lil RWD rice burners (see 300 ZX) with standard shift, that i have a difficult time with FWD in the snow...as a matter of fact, it plain pi$ses me off. You skid, you lose your steering AND your drive control. It makes it difficult to countersteer.. just me i guess.

[hotbox05]

and those toyota recalls you speak of aren't recalls theyre called tsb which means technical service bulletin. it is a problem still yes . but unlike a recall it does not impose the vast majority of the cars or pose a safety threat.


and all brands have recalls.

as well as tsbs (or their equivelent)

and on the 20+ year old car issue I beg to differ but it may be a regional thing. all I know is I see at least 10 toyota trucks about as old as my toyota truck every day



and as far as the problems on my dads 5.0 we had a rear seal go bad , the alternator died about 7 times , (in less than 70k) the battery had to be replaced more than 4 times . all the wiring cracked and or got corroded.
his heater core went out

his cast iron manifolds cracked , I replaced them just for the other pair to crack as well.

his oil and coolant was changed to specs. he babied that 10-13mpg hog for the mpg neccessity.

it's a good thing he got it for free from his deceased stepdad . only had 12k miles and it was like 10 years old when we got it.

[hotbox05]

I've always found...at least for me who grew up with RWD muscle cars and quick lil RWD rice burners (see 300 ZX) with standard shift, that i have a difficult time with FWD in the snow...as a matter of fact, it plain pi$ses me off. You skid, you lose your steering AND your drive control. It makes it difficult to countersteer.. just me i guess.

you're doing all the things you HAVE to do in a rwd car to stay in a straight line. with fwd most all of that is unneccessary.

[TheCafeKid]

Frankly i always felt more in control of a RWD car...

[Ironriot]

gm can't do retro styling very well though.


look at the ssr , hhr and the new camaro , all bastardized conceptions of old classic styles.


the camaro should be nice but in person the proportions are all wrong. i'd gladly take a 69 z28 over the new one any day of the week.

Its all in the eye of the beholder. I think the new Camaro looks good. As do thousands of other people. Better than the POS new Mustang anyways. Now that thing looks ugly as fvck

As for the SSR that thing was ugly as balls but I happen to like the HHR. Looks like a little panel wagon. I'd buy one but its too heavy for a small 4 cylinder and plus its front wheel drive. Maybe I'll get one when the turboed version comes out

But again all this is in the eye of the beholder. As for me I'd take a 68. The round wheel wells look SO much better than the flat topped one's of the 69.... But none of them can even hold a candle to a 70 Chevelle SS. YOWSA now that's a purdy car

[Ironriot]

Frankly i always felt more in control of a RWD car...

Me too. FWD cars feel dodgy to me in poor handling situations. I guess we're odd ones out then

[hotbox05]

oh trust my scion is my first and only fwd car out of the 7 cars i've owned. but if you setup the suspension right and have good tires on it it can kick ass

[TheCafeKid]

Ive only driven a few different FWD cars and only owned one...maybe its that im just not used to how they react, but they seem more unpredictable to me in those situations.

[hotbox05]

Its all in the eye of the beholder. I think the new Camaro looks good. As do thousands of other people. Better than the POS new Mustang anyways. Now that thing looks ugly as fvck

As for the SSR that thing was ugly as balls but I happen to like the HHR. Looks like a little panel wagon. I'd buy one but its too heavy for a small 4 cylinder and plus its front wheel drive. Maybe I'll get one when the turboed version comes out

But again all this is in the eye of the beholder. As for me I'd take a 68. The round wheel wells look SO much better than the flat topped one's of the 69.... But none of them can even hold a candle to a 70 Chevelle SS. YOWSA now that's a purdy car

have you seen the new challenger? It may be a dodge but it looks exactly like a 1970 hemi cuda. YUM. now THOSE are going to sell.

and true style is the one thing that is always personal and opinionated. most people hate my car but it's ok I like it.

I'd also love a 66-68 nova ss