stainless allens

[doctorgonzo]

Z1 kits are from Burk's, not Stainless Cycle.

Yeah, I meant roughly the same price neighborhood and all labeled for you to make it easy, not the same manufacturer. I know there are cheaper ways for sure. It was worth it to me to pay the extra couple of bucks to get a bunch of individual baggies with all the right bolts, separated and labeled.

[GaThumper]

Nice Thread! I've been thinking about this since I started the restoration last summer and since I'm going to be removing the side cases and polishing them, I'm in the market. I don't have a problem sourcing and buying individual bolts, but was thinking I might do better buying a kit since they probably buy in large quantities. So I'll be evaluating all the kits I can find as well as pricing out individul pieces myself. I'll try and post all my findings here to try and give something back to this great community.

Just learned something new! (you CAN teach an old dog new tricks) I did not know about 304 versus 316... One guy (Stainless Cycle I think) said as far as he knew I would not find a kit made up of 316 and if I did the cost would be about double. He also felt there should not be any issue with 304, but Hap Call reported a problem with his 304, so.... ymmv, and caveat emptor!

from wikipedia...

Type 304—the most common grade; the classic 18/8 stainless steel. Also referred to as "A2" in accordance with ISO 3506

Type 316—the second most common grade (after 304); for food and surgical stainless steel uses; alloy addition of molybdenum prevents specific forms of corrosion. 316 steel is used in the manufacture and handling of food and pharmaceutical products where it is often required in order to minimize metallic contamination. It is also known as marine grade stainless steel due to its increased resistance to chloride corrosion compared to type 304. SS316 is often used for building nuclear reprocessing plants. Most watches that are made of stainless steel are made of Type 316L; Rolex is an exception in that they use Type 904L. Also referred to as "A4" in accordance with ISO 3506

So a little research this afternoon and I have found several sources so far.

Z1 http://www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=2488

and West Coast http://www.westcoastmc.com/store/ind...oducts_id=1546

appears to be the same set. Not sure where they are coming from, but Rob @ Z1 told me his "come from Canada".

West Coast (Burks) pic on web site says "all Sets Polished"

No comment on Z1 about polishing.


Suzuki GS1000 E S L 78-80 Bolt Set ~869 $24.95

This set includes 59 bolts and 3 Allen keys for a total of 62 pieces.
These sets are mainly for the visible bolts on the lower engine covers. The bolts for these covers and any extras are shown here - Cylinder Head Cover, LH Cover, RH Cover.


Stainless Cycle

http://www.stainlesscycle.com/catalo...roducts_id=438

Says all sets are hand polished.

Suzuki GS1000 suzgs1000pol $34.99

Fits all 8 valve SUZUKI GS1000 CHAIN DRIVE (NOT SHAFTDIVE!)
all bolts are SOCKET ALLEN HEAD.
not just a bag of bolts, comes with instructions, and sorted.

kit includes:

cam chain adjuster - 2 pieces
generator cover - 9 pieces
chain cover - 6 pieces
starter cover - 4 pieces
oil pan - 13 pieces
clutch cover - 11 pieces
points cover - 3 pieces
cylinder head - 3 pieces
cylinder head cover - 28 pieces
exhaust - 16 pieces

95 pieces total

Rusty Riders (Ebay Auction, couldn't find it on their web site)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=360045218113&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=023

New 60pc Stainless Steel Allen Head Bolt Set
Tired of looking for those hard to find Stainless Steel Allen head bolts (great for engine side cases)? Then when you do find a set or the ones you need it cost’s an arm and a leg! We think you will find that this kit has a good assortment of sizes at a fraction of the cost!!

In this set you get the following:

Qty. Thread Size Length

10 6mm 16mm
8 6mm 25mm
6 6mm 35mm
4 6mm 45mm
2 6mm 55mm
2 6mm 70mm
2 6mm 80mm
9 6mm Lock Washer
9 6mm Flat Washer
9 6mm Nut

All of the bolts are standard metric thread pitch, Allen head, Stainless Steel.

I still have some questions about what is included and if washers are included (or needed?) and may be increasing the qty of any of the kits. I guess I'll start counting mine and try and get a good inventory of sizes and lengths to price out and compare.

If you have already "been here" and "done this" your advise would be appreciated.

[doctorgonzo]

I have the set from stainless cycle. Washers are included where applicable, and they arrive polished. They haven't been in long enough for me to comment on the corrosion of the 304 stainless. I did have to slightly grind the bottom of 2 bolts for the valve cover, they were maybe 1 mm too long.

[mortation]

OK well I just got my kit from Z1 and I must say I am a bit disappointed. They sent me a friggen bag full of screws. Nothing is separated, no diagrams nothing. What if I didnt know which goes where???

[Nessism]

OK well I just got my kit from Z1 and I must say I am a bit disappointed. They sent me a friggen bag full of screws. Nothing is separated, no diagrams nothing. What if I didnt know which goes where???

Easy, match up the bolt length to your old ones. Or, loosely install all the bolts in the holes and make sure they are all sticking out the same amount before tightening them.

[mortation]

Easy, match up the bolt length to your old ones. Or, loosely install all the bolts in the holes and make sure they are all sticking out the same amount before tightening them.

I know. BUT I mean come one. How hard would it be to put the different bolts in different bags with a letter and include a diagram showing what letter goes where? Thats how my SS Carb bolts came and I was very happy with that. This just makes more work for me :P

Luckily I was smart enough that when I pulled the covers I left the original bolts in the holes so I know which bolt goes where. And even if I hadnt I printed out the fiche. But really its just the prinipal of it. I wouldnt mind paying a few extra bucks for that kind of attention to detail.

[Nessism]

I know. BUT I mean come one. How hard would it be to put the different bolts in different bags with a letter and include a diagram showing what letter goes where?

Not hard but a lot of extra work. When you think about all the different kits they sell, labeling each bolt would add a LOT of extra time required and drive up cost to the consumers - us.

A compromise might be to have a one sheet of paper with a bill of materials. At any rate, enjoy your bolts.

[GaThumper]

OK well I just got my kit from Z1 and I must say I am a bit disappointed. They sent me a friggen bag full of screws. Nothing is separated, no diagrams nothing. What if I didnt know which goes where???

Here's a quote from stainless Cycle's ad...

"not just a bag of bolts, comes with instructions, and sorted."

[Hap Call]

Hmmmm...that's strange, my bolts came with a beautiful French maid who would pull a bolt out of the bag, dust it lightly with a feather duster, and say,"Monsieur, ezz one goes onto zee zecond bol 'ole on zee front of zee valve couver!" then hand it to me.

Boy, I sure miss her....


Hap

[Houdini]

Easy, match up the bolt length to your old ones. Or, loosely install all the bolts in the holes and make sure they are all sticking out the same amount before tightening them.

Rusty Riders (Ebay Auction, couldn't find it on their web site)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MEWA:IT&ih=023

New 60pc Stainless Steel Allen Head Bolt Set
Tired of looking for those hard to find Stainless Steel Allen head bolts (great for engine side cases)? Then when you do find a set or the ones you need it cost’s an arm and a leg! We think you will find that this kit has a good assortment of sizes at a fraction of the cost!!

I bought this kit over ebay for my GS450S. One word = Joke.
As far as the engine cases go, out of 60 advertised pieces, only 6 actually fit.

The majority of the case bolts (22) are 6x35.

[Rat44]

Hmmmm...that's strange, my bolts came with a beautiful French maid who would pull a bolt out of the bag, dust it lightly with a feather duster, and say,"Monsieur, ezz one goes onto zee zecond bol 'ole on zee front of zee valve couver!" then hand it to me.

Boy, I sure miss her....


Hap

And then he woke up.

[Nessism]

Rusty Riders (Ebay Auction, couldn't find it on their web site)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MEWA:IT&ih=023

New 60pc Stainless Steel Allen Head Bolt Set
Tired of looking for those hard to find Stainless Steel Allen head bolts (great for engine side cases)? Then when you do find a set or the ones you need it cost’s an arm and a leg! We think you will find that this kit has a good assortment of sizes at a fraction of the cost!!

I bought this kit over ebay for my GS450S. One word = Joke.
As far as the engine cases go, out of 60 advertised pieces, only 6 actually fit.

The majority of the case bolts (22) are 6x35.

Sorry you got a crap kit. Order from Burk's Motorsports next time. Their stainless kits are excellent...no labels though...or French maid.

[doctorgonzo]

Here's a quote from stainless Cycle's ad...

"not just a bag of bolts, comes with instructions, and sorted."

And indeed they are. I have their kit for my carbs and for my engine. Not sorted down to the bolt in the sense that the stator cover for example has bolts of different lengths and they are all in the bag "F" or whatever that the instructions tell you is for the stator cover. I just laid the bolts out in order as I took them out and matched to the same length as I replaced.

[Hap Call]

And then he woke up.

What!!!! You don't believe me????? My feelings are hurt!!!!

Hap

[Rat44]

Does anybody make kits with Torx heads ? I have had less problems with those than Allen heads.