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    #2 cylinder always rich and fouled

    New to me 1982 GS1100 GK. PO changed the main jets to 120. Pilots are stock 40's. Original air box. Delkevik 4 into 1 exhaust with the center baffle removed. All pilot screws are set at 3 turns out using the engine RPM as a guide. The bike starts and idles perfectly and runs really well at mid and WOT but has always had a stutter at 1/8 throttle. Also, the number 2 cylinder is always fouled out. I'll clean the plug and put it back in, and it only takes about a day to foul out again. Also, it smells like gas at idle.

    I finally took the carbs apart and to check them and document what was done previously. Everything was really clean and the float heights we all right on. The number two carb bowl had some light sediment in the bowl and the pilot was partially blocked. I was able to clean it out using carb cleaner and compressed air. I did clean all of the passage ways for the main and pilots and made sure the bowls were all spotless. But I did not split the carbs or do any kind of ultrasonic cleaning.

    Put it all back together and it ran like a monster. No stuttering at all. But not long after, it started hesitating again at 1/8 throttle. Took the #2 plug out and sure enough, it's black black. Also, all the other plugs are always perfect. It's just the #2 cylinder which seems to be the source of the issue.

    My question is, should I just replace the pilot? Should I just dial the #2 pilot back a bit? Or is there somewhere else I should be looking?

    #2
    Bad petcock diaphragm letting fuel got down the vacuum line into carb 2 would be my guess.
    - David

    80 GS850GL
    Arlington, TX

    https://visitedstatesmap.com/image/ARMNMTNDSDTXsm.jpg

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      #3
      Originally posted by dgates1 View Post
      Bad petcock diaphragm letting fuel got down the vacuum line into carb 2 would be my guess.
      Huh.. I hadn't considered that. How would I check that? From what I can tel the petcock doesn't seem to leak.

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        #4
        Replace the normal vacuum hose with a piece of clear tubing, just for the test.
        Ed

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          #5
          How about remove vacuum hose, plug the nipple on the carb and the petcock with a golf tee or correct size rubber cap, then run the bike on PRI. to see if problem persists. Be careful, if you run out of gas on PRI., you won't have any reserve.
          1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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            #6
            Originally posted by dgates1 View Post
            Bad petcock diaphragm letting fuel got down the vacuum line into carb 2 would be my guess.
            I pulled the vacuum line so I can go match it up with some clear line of the same size and I did notice it was wet on both ends and it does smell like gas.

            should there be any gas at all in there? My guess is probably not.

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              #7
              should there be any gas at all in there? My guess is probably not.

              good guess!
              1981 gs650L

              "We are all born ignorant, but you have to work hard to stay stupid" Ben Franklin

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                #8
                Nope. That tube should be dry. From what everyone says on here, it's not worth it to try and rebuild the petcock with a kit. Look for a replacement.
                - David

                80 GS850GL
                Arlington, TX

                https://visitedstatesmap.com/image/ARMNMTNDSDTXsm.jpg

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                  #9
                  New, OEM style, model specific petcocks can be had at georgefixs.com

                  Haven't had to replace mine yet but will get one of these when I do. Have only read good things.
                  As with everything, verify fit with your particular bike, especially mounting bolt hole spacing. Link above says it will fit:
                  82-84 GS 1100 GKZ/GK2/GKD/GKE GS1100GKZ GS1100GK2 GS1100GKD GS1100GKE,
                  among others.
                  Mounting holes are 44mm center to center.
                  Rich
                  1982 GS 750TZ
                  2015 Triumph Tiger 1200

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by dgates1 View Post
                    Nope. That tube should be dry. From what everyone says on here, it's not worth it to try and rebuild the petcock with a kit. Look for a replacement.
                    So I already have a petcock rebuild kit that I can't return that I ordered some time ago. I may just give it a go. If that doesn't work, then I'll just replace the whole thing.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by danny01975 View Post

                      So I already have a petcock rebuild kit that I can't return that I ordered some time ago. I may just give it a go. If that doesn't work, then I'll just replace the whole thing.
                      A conical felt Bob on a rotary tool cleans up the mating surface of the cock bit.
                      the plastic bit my be grooved
                      Last edited by Cipher; 10-15-2024, 12:43 PM.
                      1983 GS 550 LD
                      2009 BMW K1300s

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Nessism View Post
                        Replace the normal vacuum hose with a piece of clear tubing, just for the test.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Cipher View Post

                          A conical felt Bob on a rotary tool cleans up the mating surface of the cock bit.
                          the plastic bit my be grooved
                          yes and a bit of brasso to clean up the mating surface to the “O” ring, which is probably your problem.

                          V

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by danny01975 View Post

                            Winner winner chicken dinner!!
                            https://imgur.com/a/986KUyU
                            Well the only way gas gets into vacuum tube is past the diaphragm. So its likely torn or holed.


                            "Johnny the boy has done it again... This time its a scrubber"
                            Dazza from Kiwiland
                            GSX1100SXZ, GSX750SZ, GS650GZ All Katanas, all 1982

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                              #15
                              Well, the rebuild kit did nothing. It's still sucking fuel past the diaphragm. Albeit, less fuel but I can still see activity in the clear tube. And now it leaks as well. :/. Probably from me over tightening it after realizing it still wasn't working.

                              Looks like I'll be ordering a whole new petcock. Will update once that's here and installed.

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