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    What To Do With 3 Air Bleed Holes

    I have dipped two of my CV carbs so far. I have made the tool with matchstick and wire bristle from a wire brush. I have cleaned all the small holes that the tutorial shows to do.

    But I have found three other very small holes between the throttle plate and the piston which I believe to be Air Bleed holes. I cannot get the wire tool to penetrate these holes as I cannot line things up as with the other small holes. How do I clean these small holes? Where are the other ends of these bleed holes? Can I access these holes from the other end of the hole?

    I don't want to put the carbs back on and find it doesn't run right because of this. All or any help appreciated.



    QUESTION 2: Each of the CV carbs has a reasonably strong spring on it and I assume when this spring pressure is multiplied by four there is going to be quite a bit of pressure at the twist grip for the rider. Is there a need to weaken these springs in any way to make things easier on the rider's right hand. Do all four need to be connected and if so is this the reason why there is only one throttle cable on CV equipped bikes. i.e. the springs close the throttle and no need for PULL close throttle cable?

    Just trying to understand the principle of how this system works, not wanting to re-invent the whole thing.

    Thanks in advance for any help given.
    Last edited by Guest; 04-27-2010, 08:12 AM.

    #2
    They are not "air bleed" holes. That is where the mixture comes in from the pilot system. The two closest to the camera are never covered by the throttle plate, and the closest one is the one that the "idle mixture adjustment screw" lives in. The other one will be uncovered as the throttle opens.

    This cut-away drawing is from the factory manual. It was colored to show the importance of the rubber plug, but it shows the three openings and how they work:



    Don't worry about the spring tension. It seems to be a lot when playing with the individual carbs, but the leverage in the throttle grip makes it tolerable for all but the weakest riders. If you are worried about having to hold it somewhat steady for longer trips, install a throttle lock to hold it for you.



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    Last edited by Steve; 04-27-2010, 07:07 AM.
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      #3
      As far as cleaning the holes, after the dip use spray carb cleaner to shoot through the holes, watch the spray come back out to make sure the pattern is the same on all four carburetors.
      If there is one with a problem it won't spray through the same as the others, you can see this. Those holes don't tend to clog as they are above the level of fuel in the bowl, as long as some particle didn't block the passage it will be fine.
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        #4
        Thanks STEVE, how do I clear those other holes. I have cleared the one directly below the mixture screw, but cannot get a clear go at the other three.
        Thanks.

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          #5
          Originally posted by tkent02 View Post
          As far as cleaning the holes, after the dip use spray carb cleaner to shoot through the holes, watch the spray come back out to make sure the pattern is the same on all four carburetors.
          If there is one with a problem it won't spray through the same as the others, you can see this. Those holes don't tend to clog as they are above the level of fuel in the bowl, as long as some particle didn't block the passage it will be fine.
          Thanks TKENT,

          Just another quick one. Do I spray the carb cleaner from the pilot jet end or in through the holes in the venturi.

          Thanks again.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Suzuki_Don View Post
            Thanks TKENT,

            Just another quick one. Do I spray the carb cleaner from the pilot jet end or in through the holes in the venturi.

            Thanks again.
            Spray down though the pilot screw Don, path is shorter.
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              #7
              Originally posted by Nessism View Post
              Spray down though the pilot screw Don, path is shorter.
              Thanks ED, that makes sense. You can tell this is a first time effort can't you.

              Thanks

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                #8
                I would also caution against using a bristle from a wire brush. The steel bristle is harder than the metal in the carb and can gouge away some of the material around the hole. I prefer to use a single strand of copper from some 16- or 18-gauge wire. If the hole is too small, find some finer copper strands. The copper is stronger than most dirt, but softer than the carb body (and the brass jets), so it won't enlarge the holes.

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                  #9
                  You can lesson the tension by unwrapping the spring one revolution. I wouldn't though since you really want the carbs to snap shut. The effort is minimal at the throttle.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by chef1366 View Post
                    You can lesson the tension by unwrapping the spring one revolution. I wouldn't though since you really want the carbs to snap shut. The effort is minimal at the throttle.
                    I had wondered about doing something like that on mine. My throttle hand gets numb very quickly, and I have tried several grip methoods

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by crapwacker View Post
                      I had wondered about doing something like that on mine. My throttle hand gets numb very quickly, and I have tried several grip methoods
                      Even though it's your hand that goes numb, take a good look at the rest of your upper body.
                      If you have to hunch your shoulders forward to reach the bars, it can put strain on nerves that will then be felt in your hand.

                      My wife had that problem before I added set-backs to the buckhorn bars.
                      Now she does not have to reach for the bars, they have come back to her.

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                      #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
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                        #12
                        A throttle rocker will help you out a lot.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by ddaniels View Post
                          A throttle rocker will help you out a lot.
                          I tried one but it kept sliding around the bar

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by crapwacker View Post
                            I tried one but it kept sliding around the bar
                            I wasn't mounted right, or was the wrong size.
                            They work great.

                            Don, I like to spray those holes every which way, making sure all the holes react the same on every carb. Plug the jet side with your thumb, then see a different spray pattern.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by tkent02 View Post
                              I wasn't mounted right, or was the wrong size.
                              They work great.

                              Don, I like to spray those holes every which way, making sure all the holes react the same on every carb. Plug the jet side with your thumb, then see a different spray pattern.
                              One of the velcro attachment deals, the one I tried, unless they sell something better. It was strapped on very tight, but would slowly wander..

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