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    pilot air screw ?

    hi guys
    just checkin with you. but. im adjusting the mixture screws because 2 of my plugs are sooty. am i right in thinking that i turn the screw clockwise to make the mixture more lean? and anticlockwise to richen it?

    thanks

    regards
    Dave

    #2
    ahh

    ahh that seems to conflick with something ive just read in this section .
    heres a copy/paste of it

    Those are "idle mixture adjustment screws" and control how much of a mixture is admitted to the cylinder. If you reference the picture that BassCliff posted, you can see that the pilot air jet and the pilot fuel jet produce a mixture that is admitted to the airstream in three places. Two are on either side of the closed throttle plate. The third location is controlled by the adjustment screw. Turning the screw OUT (counterclockwise) will richen the idle mixture, turning it IN (clockwise) will lean it.

    are idle mixture adj screws the same thing as pilot air screws?

    regards
    Dave

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      #3
      lol sorry chuck hahn not that i dont belive you . just that ive been messin aroiund with them for a while now on the assumption that opening anticlockwise was allowing more air in (as you said) but dont seem to be able to get enough air in there to get rid of the sooty plug problem. so i was seeking a second opinion. (and you gave one.Thank you)

      oh and thanks for your time replying.

      regards
      Dave

      someone removed the post i was reffering to. now i look like im a nutter......im not honest
      Last edited by Guest; 03-27-2011, 04:25 PM.

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        #4
        here read these....http://members.dslextreme.com/users/...rb_rebuild.pdf
        http://www.mtsac.edu/%7Ecliff/storag...ing_Series.pdf
        MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
        1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

        NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


        I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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          #5
          The very last line in the VM tutorial states the following "If you have trouble with re starting and low speed riding .........turn the SIDE AIR SCREW OUT ( leaner)........
          Last edited by chuck hahn; 03-27-2011, 04:34 PM.
          MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
          1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

          NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


          I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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            #6
            thanks

            thanks ill give them a read now..it was a quote by steve in another post that had me thinking differently. the one i quoted on my post . i think reading and experimenting is in order


            thanks again
            regards
            Dave

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              #7
              Year

              Originally posted by M3RL1N View Post
              thanks ill give them a read now..it was a quote by steve in another post that had me thinking differently. the one i quoted on my post . i think reading and experimenting is in order


              thanks again
              regards
              Dave
              Dave, I think you'll find it helpful if you add the model year your bike is to your signature line. (I'm guessing that you don't have VM carbs.)
              Last edited by chuckycheese; 03-27-2011, 04:49 PM.
              1980 GS1100E....Number 15!

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                #8
                The sooty will not go away from all the turning in the world of the air screw if the main jet, pilot jet, neddle jet arent correct for your engine size and the type of exhaust you are running. If you read my thread CARB MECHANIC WANTED you will see i just went thru then exact sme thing on my 77 750. I fought all they were trying to tell me till when i opened the carbs and the guys and me finally realised the jetting was all wrong. I was confused on what needle did what as well.
                MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                  #9
                  what year is the 550? stock exhaust? pods or stock airbox?
                  MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                  1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                  NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                  I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                    #10
                    its an 82 ex or ez stock exhaust and replaced stock air box.

                    i think ive found the reason i was confused though ..i have cv carbs and found this suppliment to it on basscliffs site..

                    Bill Kingston has brought it to our attention that the references to a Pilot Air Screw may be incorrect. He states that on these carbs use a Fuel Flow Screw instead. This means that you are controlling fuel running through the passages with this adjustment, not air. So when turning the screw counterclockwise you are increasing fuel flow and when you turn it clockwise you decrease fuel flow.

                    its night here now but ill read up tonight and experiment tomorrow.
                    im not sure if i have the original engine,so sometimes its confusing

                    regards
                    Dave

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                      #11
                      Right

                      Originally posted by M3RL1N View Post
                      its an 82 ex or ez stock exhaust and replaced stock air box.

                      i think ive found the reason i was confused though ..i have cv carbs and found this suppliment to it on basscliffs site..

                      Bill Kingston has brought it to our attention that the references to a Pilot Air Screw may be incorrect. He states that on these carbs use a Fuel Flow Screw instead. This means that you are controlling fuel running through the passages with this adjustment, not air. So when turning the screw counterclockwise you are increasing fuel flow and when you turn it clockwise you decrease fuel flow.

                      its night here now but ill read up tonight and experiment tomorrow.
                      im not sure if i have the original engine,so sometimes its confusing

                      regards
                      Dave
                      Now you've got it figured out! (Be sure to add your model year.)
                      1980 GS1100E....Number 15!

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                        #12
                        Thats why i posted both tutorials..i dint know which style carbs you had or year or what not..so i thought youd find what you were looking for at eihter one!! Oh and yes, plz add the year of your bike to the size there.. helps at a glance to know what we are talking about..
                        MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                        1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                        NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                        I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                          #13
                          chuckycheese done that now thanks

                          regards
                          Dave

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                            #14
                            right on the front of the engine where the upper half and the bottom half are joined ( just below the # 1 exhaust pipe area) youll see a little flat spot on the seams of the two casings..theres a number there with the size of the engine. It should say something like 548cc or something close to 550 anyways.
                            MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                            1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                            NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                            I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                              #15
                              Sorry if i had added to the confusion when i posted the quote from the VM tutorial..I am used to all my bikes being VM and i unfairly went there on auto pilot. The proper thing should have been to ask you what type of carbs they were..sorry, my bad!!
                              MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                              1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                              NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                              I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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