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    EFI Conversion Hurdle: The Fuel Pump - One possible Solution.

    I am currently captivated with the idea of converting a recently aquired 1977 GS750 to fuel injection. Im confident i can adapt a set of GSXR600 or GPz1100 throttle bodies, rebuild the harness to include a Microsquirt EMS computer, and modify the fuel tank for a return-type high pressure fuel system.

    The single hurdle i have been unable to resolve as of yet is the fuel pump. It is my intent that this retrofit be totally reversable should i desire to revert to the original mikuni setup (perhaps for resell value at a later date). As a result i have discarded the idea of canabalizing the near perfect fuel tank in order to adapt a modern in-tank fuel pump. I therefore have been searching for a suitable inline fuel pumps.

    Unfortunately the only production motorcycles that i am aware of that were equipped with external pumps from the factory were GPz1100s and GSXR1300. These pumps seem to be extremely rare and/or hideously expensive from the manufacturer ($450 for a GPZ pump!).

    The only viable option then is to find the smallest available car/truck inline external fuel pump. Unfortunately the smallest i have been able to located is a Walbro GSL393 which flows 155 L/hr @ 40psi and draws 5A at that rate. Not only is that WAY more fuel that is requried to fuel an 80hp 750 motor but that's also more current than i would like to allocated for the fueling system.

    So here is my proposal:
    Simply reduce the operating voltage to the fuel pump using a high efficiency switch-mode power supply. Similar to the power transformers that power modern laptops. I can build an ~90% efficient SMPS based on simple, commonly available components to step 15V down to a lower voltage to input to the GSL393.

    Take a look at the flow/pressure/current curve provided by Walbro (below).

    If im not mistaken, i should be able to adjust the input voltage until 3A is drawn by the pump, at which point it will flow 57L/Hr (15GPH), more than enough for my application, and 3A is more feasible with the GSs (feable) alternator.

    Thoughts?
    -Zander



    Last edited by Guest; 05-19-2011, 12:47 PM.

    #2
    Interesting, a mod ive always been interested in watching unfold

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      #3
      What about from a V65 magna. They had a fuel pump that was inline external of the tank. Maybe modify something like that for your purposes?





      #1 is the pump.

      Fuel comes down from tank through #4 fuel filter into pump.

      Round $100 new or there seem to be some floating around on ebay.


      Nic
      83 GS1100ES rebuild:

      http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=170032

      Budget GSXR Conversion:

      http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=200563

      New to me bike: 2008 B-KING

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        #4
        Not sure of the pressure it could provide but it may ba an option.

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          #5
          The fuel pumps used to fill carbs are low pressure, and you can get 2 kinds of those at autozone (can't remember the psi).

          You should be able to make a secondary fuel holding tank just for mounting your standard in-tank efi fuel pump. It would basically be a well-sealed vertical cylinder (4" wide?) sitting downhill from the gas tank.

          I hope you realize that any modern throttle body is HUGE compared to a GS750 intake tract. That may play havoc with the efi. A later GS850/1000/1100 (8 valve) head has much bigger ports, and work better.

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            #6
            I used a generic riding lawnmower inline pump on my 69 vw bug which required a lower flow rate/psi than any other 12v pump I had found. $20 online.

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              #7
              I have a 1980 GS 750 that I've mixed up with a 02 R6 I have the motor out to finish fab and paint on the frame and I remember I have a set of R1 fuel injected throttle body and it fits so if I get an aftermarket power commander can I make this work

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                #8
                When I used to build Kit cars the "go to" for people converting from carbs to FI was to use a pump/accumulator etc assembly from a Golf GTI..... One of the older models I believe, Mark 2 or Mark 3 something like that.
                1980 GS1000G - Sold
                1978 GS1000E - Finished!
                1980 GS550E - Fixed & given to a friend
                1983 GS750ES Special - Sold
                2009 KLR 650 - Sold - gone to TX!
                1982 GS1100G - Rebuilt and finished. - Sold
                2009 TE610 - Dual Sporting around dreaming of Dakar..... - FOR SALE!

                www.parasiticsanalytics.com

                TWINPOT BRAKE UPGRADE LINKY: http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...e-on-78-Skunk/

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                  #9
                  You could use the 650 Bandit.

                  I have 1250 Bandit on my 1260 Kat, the throttle bodies fit.

                  4 years commuting.

                  IMG_1652 - Copy1.jpg
                  Attached Files

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                    #10
                    Adapted 1250 bandit pump.

                    IMG_4949 - Copy.jpg

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                      #11
                      enter atleast 15 cahracters
                      Attached Files

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                          #13
                          If the link works you might get some ideas, I am using the standard Bandit ECU.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by the_zander View Post
                            I am currently captivated with the idea of converting a recently aquired 1977 GS750 to fuel injection. Im confident i can adapt a set of GSXR600 or GPz1100 throttle bodies, rebuild the harness to include a Microsquirt EMS computer, and modify the fuel tank for a return-type high pressure fuel system.

                            The single hurdle i have been unable to resolve as of yet is the fuel pump. It is my intent that this retrofit be totally reversable should i desire to revert to the original mikuni setup (perhaps for resell value at a later date). As a result i have discarded the idea of canabalizing the near perfect fuel tank in order to adapt a modern in-tank fuel pump. I therefore have been searching for a suitable inline fuel pumps.

                            Unfortunately the only production motorcycles that i am aware of that were equipped with external pumps from the factory were GPz1100s and GSXR1300. These pumps seem to be extremely rare and/or hideously expensive from the manufacturer ($450 for a GPZ pump!).

                            The only viable option then is to find the smallest available car/truck inline external fuel pump. Unfortunately the smallest i have been able to located is a Walbro GSL393 which flows 155 L/hr @ 40psi and draws 5A at that rate. Not only is that WAY more fuel that is requried to fuel an 80hp 750 motor but that's also more current than i would like to allocated for the fueling system.

                            So here is my proposal:
                            Simply reduce the operating voltage to the fuel pump using a high efficiency switch-mode power supply. Similar to the power transformers that power modern laptops. I can build an ~90% efficient SMPS based on simple, commonly available components to step 15V down to a lower voltage to input to the GSL393.

                            Take a look at the flow/pressure/current curve provided by Walbro (below).

                            If im not mistaken, i should be able to adjust the input voltage until 3A is drawn by the pump, at which point it will flow 57L/Hr (15GPH), more than enough for my application, and 3A is more feasible with the GSs (feable) alternator.

                            Thoughts?
                            -Zander



                            For EFI it's not flow it is pressure you need, more specifically 43PSI is the normal for EFI bikes.
                            Last edited by GSX1100 dreamn; 10-19-2023, 12:48 PM. Reason: Added info.

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