GS1100 Jetting questions

[skythian]

Alright, I can do brake lines and oil changes, but I need help figuring out how to (or if I need to) rejet these carbs.

The bike is an '80 GS1100ET that has been overbored from 1078 to 1136, has RC Performace 4-1 exhaust, and individual K&Ns. Obviously the previous owner wanted better performance, but I'm looking to improve the gas mileage. I'm only getting about 30mpg right now.

After tearing into the carburetor, the needle jet has 261 and O-8 stamped on it. Is this an appropriate jetting for these mods? Should I rejet?

The bike runs great, but cuts out a bit at full throttle, and the spark plugs are sooty. Indications of running rich?

Thanks in advance for the help.

[gsrick]

Alright, I can do brake lines and oil changes, but I need help figuring out how to (or if I need to) rejet these carbs.

The bike is an '80 GS1100ET that has been overbored from 1078 to 1136, has RC Performace 4-1 exhaust, and individual K&Ns. Obviously the previous owner wanted better performance, but I'm looking to improve the gas mileage. I'm only getting about 30mpg right now.

After tearing into the carburetor, the needle jet has 261 and O-8 stamped on it. Is this an appropriate jetting for these mods? Should I rejet?

The bike runs great, but cuts out a bit at full throttle, and the spark plugs are sooty. Indications of running rich?

Thanks in advance for the help.

I've been told to tell you that it is not stock. Here is a link to carb specs.

http://members.dslextreme.com/users/bikecliff/images/carbspec_float_height.html

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[posplayr]

Alright, I can do brake lines and oil changes, but I need help figuring out how to (or if I need to) rejet these carbs.

The bike is an '80 GS1100ET that has been overbored from 1078 to 1136, has RC Performace 4-1 exhaust, and individual K&Ns. Obviously the previous owner wanted better performance, but I'm looking to improve the gas mileage. I'm only getting about 30mpg right now.

After tearing into the carburetor, the needle jet has 261 and O-8 stamped on it. Is this an appropriate jetting for these mods? Should I rejet?

The bike runs great, but cuts out a bit at full throttle, and the spark plugs are sooty. Indications of running rich?

Thanks in advance for the help.

Oversize pistons are 1166 cc

What size are the main jets?
What size are the pilot jets?

What size carbs? BS34's or BS36's??

Are there grooves on the needle for adjustment? Sound like a stock needle.

You should be getting between about 35 mpg depending upon what cams you are running.

[skythian]

Probably a stupid question, but how do you tell the size of the main and pilot jets?

[posplayr]

There is a size engraved on the outer rim of the jets. You have to remove the float bowels to get to them.
Your setup is pretty standard upgraded 1100 very close in fact to mine . We can probably get you set correctly with a few more details as posted before. Unless you know what was done to the bike before it is best not to guess but verify for yourself.

[skythian]

Ok thanks, I'll check out the other jets tonight.

The previous owner claimed it was 1136 with Yoshimura forged pistons, and Yoshimura Stage 1 cams and springs. It's a 36mm carb.

Thanks for the help.

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[posplayr]

Ok thanks, I'll check out the other jets tonight.

The previous owner claimed it was 1136 with Yoshimura forged pistons, and Yoshimura Stage 1 cams and springs. It's a 36mm carb.

Thanks for the help.

Generally the pistons are either +2 at 74 mm or +3 at 75 mm

You have 4:1 exhaust correct (not 4:2:1)

Based on what you are saying and assuming a 74 mm piston

I would figure a Mikuni 135-137.5 main with with 47.5 pilots and a DynoJet needle on the 3rd notch.

http://www.dynojet.com/pdf/3133.pdf

With a similar configuration but with stock bore I ran the DG 138's mains which equates to a Mikuni 128 main
Here you will see a summary of the difference between 4:1 and 4:2:1 for the 1166 kit.


When I bored out to 1166 I needs about a 140-142 main

http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/showpost.php?p=1267319&postcount=1

Edit 5/20/2012
Bike is GS1100ED 1166, ported head, K&N pods, 36mm BS36, GSXR 4:2:1 Yoshi, 0.340 Webcams, Accel coils, coil mod
The final jet setting I arrived at are as follows. You can compare this with the various descriptions

Exhaust____4:1__________4:2:1
Type
Main jet_____140__________ 135
DJ needle__3 or higher_______ 2
Pilot jet_____47.5___________45
Pilot Air____stock?________stock?

[5150/gs]

upgrades like that hm.
I have a 4-1 and pods stage 3 to get it to run right,35mpg or so goin easy and 27mpg ridin hard.
i think with your setup it's good as it gets unless you go stock airbox 4-2-2 pipes.
,only way me thinx.
oh yah 16v 1100 beast.with 36mm carby's.
and personaly i think if i had 4-2-1 pipes,which i would love but not at that cost they go for.i really don't think it would make a whole lotta difference.

[posplayr]

upgrades like that hm.
I have a 4-1 and pods stage 3 to get it to run right,35mpg or so goin easy and 27mpg ridin hard.
i think with your setup it's good as it gets unless you go stock airbox 4-2-2 pipes.
,only way me thinx.
oh yah 16v 1100 beast.with 36mm carby's.
and personaly i think if i had 4-2-1 pipes,which i would love but not at that cost they go for.i really don't think it would make a whole lotta difference.

I used the Innovate LM-2/LMA-3 with WB O-2 sensor to dial in the AFR across the RPM band so I am very confident in the numbers and settings as being a good start if not right on.

My GS1100ED/1166 got noticeably more light on the front wheel (from low rpm) once it was set right. 4:2:1 gives better mid range for sure and is more linear v.s the ranging monster that comes unleashed at 6K and the 4:1.


To OP.
I would also recommend the NGK Iridium plugs as they will burn off any fouling much better than the standard NGK plus. Do that after you get the jetting sorted.

[5150/gs]

now that sounds fun hehe