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engine turns over won't start all checks made.
I have been reluctant to post this thread I have seen similar threads asking the same issue and have, I think I have anyway, tried them to fix mine. Ok here goes. rode the bike through a pouring rain had no issues I have pods on my carbs I shielded them the best I could from the rain. Got home no issues. The next day I cranked it right up about two seconds or so on the start button it came to life. and rode it around the yard when I parked it I reved the engine and notices a little white smoke out of the exhaust. I let it set for two days. went out to crank it to ride to work not thinking there would be any issues. I turned the power on and hit the start button. the engine turned over strong but never tried to actually hit. So that is how it is today four days later. So here is what I done, I took the plugs out, all had a white center porcelin and black ring on the threads. I cleaned the plugs and plan on getting new ones, checked fire on all plugs got fire. Checked voltage to coils 13.25. Gas checked petcock for proper operations by removing the fuel lin allowing the vacuum to draw the fuel from the tank, that works so getting gas, if I turn the engine over several time the plugs will be wet when I pull them, I checked compression on each cylinder, got 100-110 across the board open throttle on a cold engine, Checked my engine block ground I cleaned it and got a good ground I have changed all my bullet connectors to spade and done three relay mods: coils, headlight, and horn. All gauges are working correctly. one thing I notices is when I crank it the oil pressure light doesn't go out like it did before but that may be just me seeing things since it started a few seconds after pushing the start button. I checked time on the Dyna ignition to TDC on the cylinders, The marks line up correctly for the spark to ignite the plug. So there is where I am at. I am at a loss to where to look some ghost has a hold of my bike and won't let go. When I say it won't crank I mean run on its own power with the ignition of gas and spark, what is is doing is turning over crank going around and around but never actually attempting to run, no smoke from pipe no back fire no hint of wanting to start and run. any thoughts for me to try would be nice. thanks RockyTags: None
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Souinds like a sudden flooding of the cylinders to me. I would tap on all the float bowls to see if stuck floats.
Then I would try to start as normal. Choke and DO NOT touch the throttle. just choke and crank.
The white smoke probably was unburnt fuel steaming put the exhaust. white water vapor looking smoke is indicitive of a severe over fueling of a cylinder..or several. thus, once you shut off the bike..its DOA.MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550
NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.
I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.
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Rockgs1000
oh one more thing my number four carbs choke is sticking, hard to tilt the choke lever up. got to take that apart to see why it is hard to lift.
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Well if theres an evident problem there, what I would do is pull the carbs and recheck it all. Hold the carbs upright with the bowls off and physically move the floats up and down and SEE that the needles rise and fall ALL THE WAY. Smoothly and they never loose contact with the float tang as they are moving..
recheck the float hts too while they are open..cant hurt.MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550
NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.
I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.
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Rockgs1000
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Ok got the carbs off and cleaned again. Not sure the carb was pulling vacuum well on the Percock to get the fuel to fill the carbs. So here is my issue and I am pretty sure I am right. I am just looking for reassurance. I got the bike to start and run and man I got a skeeter fogger now. I ran it for a little bit and saw oil coming around the manifold and and exhaust connection. So took the header off and the number Two cylinder was wet with oil on the exhaust valve stem and header orfise..... So I assume I now need to rebuild the top end of my engine. Am I right?
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Unless the oil is too full..in which case its squeezing past the rings and into the cylinders. Got oily leaks around the pipes where they go into the head?
I would recheck the oil isnt full of gas AGAIN ( yeah i know you have checked the petcock ). There must be a reason if the crankcase is filling up too much.
Never check and fill the oil on the side stand..if you are your wrong and thats probably the problem. Always fill it with the bike standing straight up or on the center stand. If you dont have a center stand, have the wfie or someone hold it up for you.MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550
NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.
I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.
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Rockgs1000
I will do that, the only cylinder getting wet on the header where the pipes go in is the number 2 the other three are dry .
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Reverify the oil is at the proper level and no gassy smell..with the bike straight up somehow.
I that is ok, then i would suggest that you do a warmed up compression check and compare that cylinder with the others. If they are all good and that cylinder is comparable to the rest, then the next thing I would go for is a blown valve stem seal.
When you do the compression check, pull all the plug wires ( identify them as you pull them with some tape or whatever ) and twist the throttle full open and crank it aver till the needle reaches its max readings per cylinder. Probably 3 or 4 compression strokes will max out the dial.MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550
NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.
I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.
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Your petcock is bad. Its pulling gas into #2 carb & filling up the crankcase with gas. That is not oil your seeing, that is oily substance that all the extra gas is cleaning out of everywhere. Is it blowing "smoke" out the left side?Same thing happened to my son's bike, we changed oil 3 times before we figured it out and prepared for top end rebuild. Take that tank off...hook up an auxillary tank, plug #2 vacuum line and start it up. Does the fog go away? Is number two cylinder getting hot again?
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Rockgs1000
thanks chuck for verifying something i just thought about a few days ago. I put this project down when i got the bad thought of rebuilding the top end, not the fact i cant do it i can just dishearting. so here i am with it back on my mind pretty hard ready to get it going again. I just recently thought about the oil coming from the top end if it is oil. when i took the header off the exhaust stem on the number two exhaust valve was wet with oil as well as the exhaust port and header end that goes into the head. I have checked the oil for the smell of gas and being over filled neither has occured. the compression test cold i got was right around 100-110 per cylinder using the throttle twisted all the way open for each test of the cylinders. i will reattach the header and start it up then do a warmed engine compression test.
Nejeff- thanks for the imput. i removed the vaccum line once i got the bike to start and attempted to suck fuel through the line to see if the petcock was back feeding fuel into the carb from the petcock. got no fuel out of the vaccum line.
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Originally posted by nejeff View PostYour petcock is bad. Its pulling gas into #2 carb & filling up the crankcase with gas. That is not oil your seeing, that is oily substance that all the extra gas is cleaning out of everywhere. Is it blowing "smoke" out the left side?Same thing happened to my son's bike, we changed oil 3 times before we figured it out and prepared for top end rebuild. Take that tank off...hook up an auxillary tank, plug #2 vacuum line and start it up. Does the fog go away? Is number two cylinder getting hot again?
VM carbs get vacuum from #3, not #2
There's a really good chance that your valve cover gasket is leaking and running down onto the #2 pipe. Check closely for that as the leak can come from the back. If it is coming from the exhaust valve, you can replace the valve stem seal without tearing down the engine1978 GS 1000 (since new)
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Thanks Big T I checked that as well as the smoke is coming oil the tail pipe of the exhaust not at the head. When I removed the header the number 2 pipe where it goes into the head had a growing ring of oil . Kinda hard to describe that. But it looked wet where the other three were dry. Took the header off and the valve stem and valve head had oil on them
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Originally posted by Rockgs1000 View PostChecked voltage to coils 13.25.
I checked time on the Dyna ignition to TDC on the cylinders, The marks line up correctly for the spark to ignite the plug.
For ignition timing for the #1 cylinder, the timing mark is the |
in the F | 1 -4. The TDC mark is the mark preceeding (to the left of) the the F. In the sequence, | F | 1-4, the TDC mark is the first (far left) mark.Komorebi-The light filtering through the trees.
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