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    Fuel gauge not working.

    Is there anyway to resisitate my fuel gauge without replacing the sending unit, i've check the wiring, removed the sending unit and checked it out but can't get it to work, stuck at 3/8's of a tank.

    #2
    Originally posted by swifthorse69 View Post
    Is there anyway to resisitate my fuel gauge without replacing the sending unit, i've check the wiring, removed the sending unit and checked it out but can't get it to work, stuck at 3/8's of a tank.
    What bike are we working on?
    sigpicMrBill Been a GSR member on and off since April 2002
    1980 GS 750E Bought new in Feb of 1980
    2015 CAN AM RTS


    Stuff I've done to my bike:dancing: 1100E front end with new Sonic springs, 1100E swing arm conversion with new Progressive shocks installed, 530 sprockets/chain conversion, new SS brake lines, new brake pads. New SS fasteners through out. Rebuilt carbs, new EBC clutch springs and horn installed. New paint. Motor runs strong.

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      #3
      Originally posted by swifthorse69 View Post
      Is there anyway to resisitate my fuel gauge without replacing the sending unit, i've check the wiring, removed the sending unit and checked it out but can't get it to work, stuck at 3/8's of a tank.
      did you do the tests in the manual? What were the results?

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        #4
        Here is my experience with fuel gauges. I did all the test in the service manual and it wouldnt change the readings on the needle at all. Thought the needle and gauge were shot themselves. I then pulled the sending unit, and seen that the fine copper wire that is wound around to create resistance was actually broken right before where is attaches to the solder point. I dabbed a lil solder on there to bridge the broken wire and the gauge shot right up to full since then I had continuiety through unit but it would either be about 1 ohm or unlimited ohms.

        Moral of the story is though even tho the needle didnt respond to the tests its still in fact good and just need to replace the sending unit. Its making contact all the way down but cant the ohm load to increase as it slides along the coil of wire. Be thorough and look at it all with a magnifying glass if needed.

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          #5
          To test the gauge itself, all you do is put a jumper wire between the 2 leads from the harness. This completes the circuit as if the sending unit was plugged in. If the gauge works, the needle will go to the full or even past the full mark. If its broke, it wont move at all.
          MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
          1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

          NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


          I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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            #6
            Originally posted by xxBenJamminxx View Post
            Here is my experience with fuel gauges. I did all the test in the service manual and it wouldnt change the readings on the needle at all. Thought the needle and gauge were shot themselves. I then pulled the sending unit, and seen that the fine copper wire that is wound around to create resistance was actually broken right before where is attaches to the solder point. I dabbed a lil solder on there to bridge the broken wire and the gauge shot right up to full since then I had continuiety through unit but it would either be about 1 ohm or unlimited ohms.

            Moral of the story is though even tho the needle didnt respond to the tests its still in fact good and just need to replace the sending unit. Its making contact all the way down but cant the ohm load to increase as it slides along the coil of wire. Be thorough and look at it all with a magnifying glass if needed.
            There should be tests for both gauges and sending units for all temp and fuel gauges. I know the 1100 Ed manual has. The results of those tests should give a clue as to what is going on. You are correct on the fuel sender it is exposed wire and particularly suited to physical inspection.

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              #7
              Originally posted by chuck hahn View Post
              To test the gauge itself, all you do is put a jumper wire between the 2 leads from the harness. This completes the circuit as if the sending unit was plugged in. If the gauge works, the needle will go to the full or even past the full mark. If its broke, it wont move at all.
              When I did that to mine the needle didn't budge. When I connected the sending unit after fixing that wire it went up immediately ....

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                #8
                It should have. All the sending unit is doing is completing a circuit and sending a preset amount of voltage to then guage.

                Less voltage sent from the sending units coil mean less heat up of the bimetal strip that moves the needle..thus it reads lower on the gauge.

                The fuller the tank, the more voltage that is passed thru the sending unit and the strip gets hotter..thus it reads fuller. That the basics of how it works. Sending unit is just a simple rheostat the meters the voltage to the gauges bimetal strip.
                MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by xxBenJamminxx View Post
                  When I did that to mine the needle didn't budge. When I connected the sending unit after fixing that wire it went up immediately ....

                  You probably did not have the key on.

                  A direct short should have pegged the needle (if key is on).

                  See your manual more more specific instructions. For the GS1100E the fuel sender range is 3 ohms(Full) to 120 ohms(Empty).

                  Chuck the later models do not use bimetallic springs but the testing of the gauge is similar with a short pegging the meter.

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                    #10
                    I have only been inside the pre 80s gauges, so therefore my response. But yes its all the same basic electrical theory.

                    I also had to replace the entire wire from where it passes thru the plate to the coil once. It was somehow broke inside the protective sleeve where it passes thru that little hole.

                    I stripped some wire and fed it thru the original casing and resoldered it at each end. Works like a charm now.
                    MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                    1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                    NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                    I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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