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    #31
    No provisions for heat on this one. Who knows... Maybe next time.

    As for bigger units, it's not the transducer that limits it. Even huge commercial cleaners use the same 50W transducer. They just add more of them and create a large array of transducers mounted to the bottom and sides of the tank.



    They even make submersible transducers you simply lower into the tank, but now you're getting into big bucks. It's the generator that gets troublesome when going high power. You either need to add more generators or use a generator that handles much more power. All the transducers are simply wired in parallel and driven by the output of the generator. Think of the generator as a signal generator/amplifier combination and the transducer as a speaker. One problem you need to be concerned with when designing your tank and transducer array is standing waves that cancel each other out. Standing waves will reduce your efficiency and create dead zones. There's a test called the "foil test" that shows how effective the cleaner is. I'll be documenting that as well. Even if you have a commercial cleaner, it's a good test to make sure it's still working properly. Transducers do fail over time.

    Here's where I am as of now. I'm gluing the transducers to the bottom of the tank. I know that JB Weld doesn't require clamping, but I figured it would make for a stronger bond. I first etched the bottom of the tank using 60 grit emery sand paper. I then cleaned the bottom surface of the tank and the transducers using lacquer thinner.


    I then used an old battery on the inside of the tank to support the bottom and a board drilled to allow me to place a weight evenly across the transducers. Here's the scrap wood drilled.

    I mixed up the JB Weld (50/50) and then placed an even mount spread over a small area of the tank and the bottom of the transducer. The transducers were mounted far enough apart to allow the generator board to be mounted between them. Note the deep scratches from the 60 grip emery paper and also that the tabs were mounted so the polarity was oriented in the same direction. It just makes wiring a little cleaner.

    I then stacked a heavier battery on top to clamp everything together. The battery on the inside was used to support the tank bottom so the weight on the top didn't distort it.


    Now I need to wait 6 hours for the JB weld to setup before I remove the weight. Then another 18 hours before I put it into use. From what I've noticed, the longer setup time epoxies seem to have higher tensile strength. JB weld is a SLOW cure epoxy with a tensile strength of 3960 PSI.
    Last edited by JTGS850GL; 01-05-2014, 03:57 PM.
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      #32
      Originally posted by JTGS850GL View Post
      The transducers were mounted far enough apart to allow the generator board to be mounted between them.
      Is it a good idea to mount the generator to the bottom? I would think the vibrations would play Hell with any solder connections and circuit boards in the generator?
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        #33
        Originally posted by tkent02 View Post
        Is it a good idea to mount the generator to the bottom? I would think the vibrations would play Hell with any solder connections and circuit boards in the generator?
        JT can answer this but I'd think he's mounting the generator on the cabinet situated between the transducers.That would be the way I'd do it.

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          #34
          Originally posted by SVSooke View Post
          JT can answer this but I'd think he's mounting the generator on the cabinet situated between the transducers.That would be the way I'd do it.
          Exactly how I intend to mount the generator. On the cabinet bottom. I plan on having an access door on the back to gain access to the generator board just in case.
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          1980 GS1000GT (Daily rider with a 1983 1100G engine)
          1998 Honda ST1100 (Daily long distance rider)
          1982 GS850GLZ (Daily rider when the weather is crap)

          Darn, with so many daily riders it's hard to decide which one to jump on next.;)

          JTGS850GL aka Julius

          GS Resource Greetings

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            #35
            Wow, this was an inspiring read! So much in fact that I just ordered my own set of transdusers and generator board, for 220V.
            Not sure what I'm going to use for a pan atm, your steamer pan seems perfect but not so easy to come by where I live. I was thinking an empty paint can or metal bucket or solvent can or similar. Maybe a cooking pan or a pan from one of those outdoor cookers... we'll see,

            I have digital timer that you plug into your ac outlet to control lamps or heaters or engine warmers etc. that I think would make an excellent countdown timer as I believe it has that function too.

            I'll be following this thread for more progress!

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              #36
              That countdown timer is a cool idea.Where about did you find it in Home Depot ?Don't have here so I'm hoping to find one in our local(Canadian)home improvement stores.Going to check out a couple of local restaurant supply companies today,shipping a pan from the US is crazy $$
              Last edited by Guest; 01-06-2014, 11:05 AM.

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                #37
                Originally posted by SVSooke View Post
                That countdown timer is a cool idea.Where about did you find it in Home Depot ?Don't have here so I'm hoping to find one in our local(Canadian).Going to check out a couple of local restaurant supply companies today,shipping a pan from the US is crazy $$
                you have a LOWES, check them out





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                  #38
                  Did a store locator check,closest Lowes is on the Mainland.It's an expensive ferry ride away.I like to shop Canadian as much as possible to

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                    #39
                    Ohhh well I tried....

                    Shop Canadian all you want, but all the crap is made in China....LOL

                    Canadian Tire might have what your after as well.....

                    or you can get one of these,,,LOL

                    a bit more manual involvement, but it could work....

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                      #40
                      Curious as to what others are using in their sonic cleaners. I'm using a 50/50 mix of simple green and water after a soak in Berryman Chem-Dip parts cleaner.
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                      1980 GS1000GT (Daily rider with a 1983 1100G engine)
                      1998 Honda ST1100 (Daily long distance rider)
                      1982 GS850GLZ (Daily rider when the weather is crap)

                      Darn, with so many daily riders it's hard to decide which one to jump on next.;)

                      JTGS850GL aka Julius

                      GS Resource Greetings

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by JTGS850GL View Post
                        Curious as to what others are using in their sonic cleaners. I'm using a 50/50 mix of simple green and water after a soak in Berryman Chem-Dip parts cleaner.
                        I haven't found anything that works that doesn't tarnish aluminum or the carburetor metal. Tried Simple Green and that Awesome cleaner from the Dollar Store, they both worked but tarnished the metal. Tried vinegar, it cleaned some old screws and bolts but they rusted up right away, and it made some really nasty fumes. I won't be using that again.

                        Maybe a solvent would be the way to go, kerosene or something.

                        What to the pros use?
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                          #42
                          I use an extremely weak mix of Renegade parts washer solvent and water for standard degreasing duties. Works extremely well.

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                            #43
                            Where can I get this stuff?

                            All I can find online from Renegade is their parts washer, the tub and pump and everything.

                            Also thinking of trying Purple power and water. Anyone tried this?
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                              #44
                              Doesn't chef1366 do sonic cleaning?

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                                #45
                                Here's what I've got now. I purchased a basic case for under $8 as a test platform and installed the components to begin testing. Here's a pic of the assembled cleaner:




                                Here's an image of the timer in action:


                                The lid fits well, but does make additional noise:


                                It seems to work well, but I'm planning on doing some additional tests.

                                Once everything is sorted out I'll post the final cabinet and test results.

                                I'm thinking of experimenting with adding an additional generator board and two more transducers to see what the effect is.

                                I did find that the source of my problem with the Branson 5200 is the generator board. I've ordered a couple of IFR341 N-channel Mosfets to replace the ones that are damaged or weak. Hopefully I'll have two sonic cleanser in good working condition.
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                                1980 GS1000GT (Daily rider with a 1983 1100G engine)
                                1998 Honda ST1100 (Daily long distance rider)
                                1982 GS850GLZ (Daily rider when the weather is crap)

                                Darn, with so many daily riders it's hard to decide which one to jump on next.;)

                                JTGS850GL aka Julius

                                GS Resource Greetings

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