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    #16
    Originally posted by JTGS850GL View Post
    Come on guys... Can't you see that it was meant as light humor?

    My point was simply that a bench sync is just a short term thing to get the bike started. Weather you use a pin, a flow bench or your eyes is irrelevant. All you're really trying to achieve is a "close enough" sync so you can do the proper sync for your engine's condition using a proper tool. It's not rocket science at that level. I use a thin feeler gauge and that seems to work for me.

    Now if you want to go into great detail, then discussing methods to get your final sync would seem more productive. That's where things get more critical. Lots of potential science there to entertain the mind as well.
    +1, Absolutely correct on all points.
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      #17
      Originally posted by Steve View Post
      True, but getting them at least CLOSE to the same is what does it.

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        #18
        It's just a simple manometer arrangement. I shot a short video but haven't uploaded it.

        The vacuum cleaner will pull so many inches of water up a tube when deadheaded. Any leak will reduce vacuum, i.e. Throttle opening, and the water won't come up as high.

        Adjusting the blades to pull the same amount of water up the tube, "syncs" them.

        So it's just a loop of tube running up high enough to keep from sucking all the way up. One end in a cup of water, the middle up, other end fitted to the vacuum cleaner hose.

        It not "rocket surgery"

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          #19
          Originally posted by Old guy View Post
          It's just a simple manometer arrangement. I shot a short video but haven't uploaded it.

          The vacuum cleaner will pull so many inches of water up a tube when deadheaded. Any leak will reduce vacuum, i.e. Throttle opening, and the water won't come up as high.

          Adjusting the blades to pull the same amount of water up the tube, "syncs" them.

          So it's just a loop of tube running up high enough to keep from sucking all the way up. One end in a cup of water, the middle up, other end fitted to the vacuum cleaner hose.

          It not "rocket surgery"
          Hummmmm???? Seems like a feeler gauge or a set of eyeballs would be a lot easier.
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            #20
            Originally posted by Old guy View Post
            Adjusting the blades to pull the same amount of water up the tube, "syncs" them.
            ....which is exactly the same thing you'll be doing again, on a running engine - the very engine you'll actually be using the carbs on. Why do it twice?

            Eyeball, drill bit, feeler gauge, whatever, is good enough for the bench. Slap 'em on, crank it up, and balance them using a quality manometer (aka carb guage).

            Done

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              #21
              Originally posted by JTGS850GL View Post
              Now if you want to go into great detail, then discussing methods to get your final sync would seem more productive.
              Don't worry, that project is in the works, too.

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                #22
                Video of rocket surgery

                http://youtu.be/wfa9PJIdBR0

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by JTGS850GL View Post
                  Come on guys... Can't you see that it was meant as light humor?

                  My point was simply that a bench sync is just a short term thing to get the bike started. Weather you use a pin, a flow bench or your eyes is irrelevant. All you're really trying to achieve is a "close enough" sync so you can do the proper sync for your engine's condition using a proper tool. It's not rocket science at that level. I use a thin feeler gauge and that seems to work for me.

                  Now if you want to go into great detail, then discussing methods to get your final sync would seem more productive. That's where things get more critical. Lots of potential science there to entertain the mind as well.
                  I agree. I don't even bother to bench sync most of the time. Go straight to vacuum sync.
                  Ed

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Old guy View Post
                    Video of rocket surgery

                    http://youtu.be/wfa9PJIdBR0
                    Thanks for the video. It looks pretty easy once you get everything setup. It is also probably much easier to set the throttle settings with the crabs off the bike.

                    Please report back how much adjustment is required after install.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Old guy View Post
                      Video of rocket surgery

                      http://youtu.be/wfa9PJIdBR0
                      I know the term has always been "bench" sync.

                      THAT took up half of the garage.

                      (and I had to turn my computer sideways to see it)

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                      hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
                      #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
                      #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
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                      Siblings and Spouses
                      Mom's first ride
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                        #26
                        If it took longer that the minute or two it takes to eyeball them, it's a waste of time and effort.
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by tkent02 View Post
                          If it took longer that the minute or two it takes to eyeball them, it's a waste of time and effort.
                          Like he said rocket science.

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                            #28
                            I LOVE the thinking outside of the box to home brew a system to mimic a running engine with so few household items. Genius!

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                              #29
                              Probably takes longer to plug in the shop vac then it does to do a bench sync.

                              I appreciate the ingenuity on some level but aren't you just going to vac sync once they are on the bike anyway? Your solving a problem where there isn't one

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by nejeff View Post
                                I appreciate the ingenuity on some level but aren't you just going to vac sync once they are on the bike anyway?
                                The vacuum sync should be good until you have to adjust some valves.

                                Changing valve clearances will change how much that cylinder can breathe, which will change the amount of vacuum it produces, because it still has the same restriction (the throttle blade).

                                Yep, you will need to do it more than once, unless you sell the bike, but you will need to do a sync on the next bike.

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                                mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
                                hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
                                #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
                                #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
                                Family Portrait
                                Siblings and Spouses
                                Mom's first ride
                                Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
                                (Click on my username in the upper-left corner for e-mail info.)

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