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    85 GS550l hits a wall and wont accelerate

    Im working with a 1985 gs550l and I ran in to some problems after cleaning my carbs. here is my old thread just on the carbs. I took them off pulled them apart and let the metal pieces soak overnight in carb cleaner, then after finding out the jets were wrong and one of the carbs had the wrong size float valve I ordered the correct size jets went from 97.5 all around to 95 on the outside and 102.5 on the inside and float valve, all mikuni parts. Then replaced all the o-rings with a set from cycle o-rings and in the process replaced all the bolts with hex head bolts. So I put everything back together, it now idles great once warmed up with the choke off its steady @ around 1k rpm and I can go lower without it stalling. But I took it for a ride and I pushed it kinda hard I think I was at about 8k rpm and suddenly I just lost power as if I had let go of the throttle, after that I could not get it to accelerate past 4.5k rpm it didnt matter where the throttle was. wide open it would pull hard till I would reach 4.5 then just nothing more. same if i slowly let it reach 4.5.

    So I replaced the rubber boots and hose clamps between the carbs and the airbox, replaced the fuel line, the vacuum line to the petcock. If the bike is in neutral it will rev freely with no hesitation, and if im riding it when it starts to lose power if I pull the clutch it will instantly rev up. after replacing the boots it accelerates better reaches about 6k and after that it will accelerate but just very slowly, same deal as before though it doesn't matter what position i have the throttle. I have not pulled the plugs yet to check them I will be doing that tomorrow. and I have a new oem spec airfilter on the way.

    also I have a video of the vacuum at idle and with some slight revs, nothing with a load on the engine i can post it up if it would be helpful, and I could record a video of the vacuum with a load if it will help.

    and before I cleaned the carbs the bike would accelerate fine, but could not hold a low idle, I would have to keep the choke slightly on and the bike would idle just below 2k rpm or it would stall out when I would come to a stop, also at low speeds like starting off if i went to slow it would backfire and pop, which it no longer does, so I fixed one problem and picked up another.

    #2
    Change the igniter See if you can find one and try it or get a Dyna S but you will need a mechanical advance.
    Probably your problem.
    1983 GS 1100E w/ 1230 kit, .340 lift Web Cams, Ape heavy duty valve springs, 83 1100 head with 1.5mm oversized SS intake valves, 1150 crank, Vance and Hines 1150 SuperHub, Star Racing high volume oil pump gears, 36mm carebs Dynojet stage 3 jet kit, Posplayr's SSPB, Progressive rear shocks and fork springs, Dyna 2000, Dynatek green coils and Vance & Hines 4-1 exhaust.
    1985 GS1150ES stock with 85 Red E bodywork.

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      #3
      Originally posted by chef1366 View Post
      Change the igniter See if you can find one and try it or get a Dyna S but you will need a mechanical advance.
      Probably your problem.
      dyna does not make or offer an ignition for the 83-86 550E/ES/L model's.....

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        #4
        Bummer.................
        1983 GS 1100E w/ 1230 kit, .340 lift Web Cams, Ape heavy duty valve springs, 83 1100 head with 1.5mm oversized SS intake valves, 1150 crank, Vance and Hines 1150 SuperHub, Star Racing high volume oil pump gears, 36mm carebs Dynojet stage 3 jet kit, Posplayr's SSPB, Progressive rear shocks and fork springs, Dyna 2000, Dynatek green coils and Vance & Hines 4-1 exhaust.
        1985 GS1150ES stock with 85 Red E bodywork.

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          #5
          Originally posted by chef1366 View Post
          Bummer.................
          one of my 1st encounters..bike had under 1k miles and no spark.
          dealer wanted several hundred for a new ignitor...woooooo
          1150 box plugged right in but still no spark...same plug..different wire colors...oh well.
          customer said no way.."small diameter" signal generator is the problem with interchanges.

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            #6
            Originally posted by blowerbike View Post
            "small diameter" signal generator is the problem with interchanges.
            Can you expand on what you mean by this "small diameter"?
            '83 GS650G
            '83 GS550es (didn't like the colours in the 80's, but they've grown on me)

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              #7
              I'm wondering if a earlier mechanical advancer plate could be fitted so the dyna could be used.
              1981 gs650L

              "We are all born ignorant, but you have to work hard to stay stupid" Ben Franklin

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                #8
                has nothing to do with the advance mechanism....those will interchange.
                the trigger plate that sits back into the crankcase is quite a bit smaller on the 83-86 550's.
                a dyna or an earlier model trigger plate is to large in diameter to fit into the engine case.

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                  #9
                  So, anyone have a 83-86 gs550 ignitor that they dont want an arm and a leg for? or has anyone been successful in taking it apart and rebuilding it?

                  I have not yet tested my charging system but is it possible that a bad charging system could give the same problems as a bad ignitor?

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                    #10
                    [QUOTE=Mankow;2135161

                    I have not yet tested my charging system but is it possible that a bad charging system could give the same problems as a bad ignitor?[/QUOTE]
                    A faulty charging system could have excessive voltage that likely would fry the ignitor.
                    disconnect stator and R/R from harness and see if you get lucky.A decent battery will last maybe 1 hour without charging help.
                    Last edited by tom203; 12-09-2014, 07:21 AM. Reason: Clarity?
                    1981 gs650L

                    "We are all born ignorant, but you have to work hard to stay stupid" Ben Franklin

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                      #11
                      gsx100e I tried to send you a PM but you inbox was full here is a pic of my igniter

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                        #12
                        Alright so I finally got around to checking the voltage, I hooked a voltmeter up to the battery and rode the bike around, and it barely changes no matter the engine speed. at idle its around 12.8v-13.2v and it stays the same if i rev it no load hold it at about 5k no load or any rpm with load always right around 13v. the Clymers manual says if its less than 13.5v than it could be either the R/R or that stator. also I have not tested the battery since I keep it on a maintainer whenever I am not riding, but it came with the bike when I bought it.

                        also I checked the voltage to the coil and it was somewhere around 11v so I did the coil relay mod and am getting full power to the coils. I should have a replacement igniter on the way soon but if that is the problem I want to make sure i dont just fry the replacement one.

                        As I was doing the relay mod I noticed that it looks like my R/R has been replaced, the bolt holes dont line up so it was held on with 1 bolt, there is no connector to the harness but newish looking spade connectors and this is what it looks like. doesnt look like the one on partsoutlaw. I found a replacement on ebay but does it sound like it isnt working right?

                        just did a no load alternator test, I didnt rev it to 5k it was only about 2k since i was just running on leftover fuel in the carbs but if I did the test right it was only putting out around 55v ac Clymers says it should be 75v AC for the tscc models.

                        so will a faulty electrical system cause the bike to lose power at higher rpms?

                        I know this doesnt really belong in carb/fuel/exhaust anymore but it made more sense to keep all the info in one place rather than two separate threads
                        Last edited by Guest; 12-13-2014, 06:18 PM.

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                          #13
                          ".....so will a faulty electrical system cause the bike to lose power at higher rpms? "

                          Maybe, but I doubt it- disconnect the r/r and stator and take for spin.
                          Your charging is poor, probably connections or r/r itself, since your open circuit stator AC test seemed promising. High charging system voltages kill ignitors. Do a quick test from here and report all 6 results.

                          1981 gs650L

                          "We are all born ignorant, but you have to work hard to stay stupid" Ben Franklin

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                            #14
                            Any progress here?? Still looking for ignitor? I recently stumbled a CL posting with two 85 gs550's parts bikes listed.

                            1981 gs650L

                            "We are all born ignorant, but you have to work hard to stay stupid" Ben Franklin

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Mankow View Post
                              So, anyone have a 83-86 gs550 ignitor that they dont want an arm and a leg for? or has anyone been successful in taking it apart and rebuilding it?

                              I have not yet tested my charging system but is it possible that a bad charging system could give the same problems as a bad ignitor?
                              Repair your own (the first sticky post in the electrical section)
                              http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...or-a-few-euro-!

                              Or build from scratch...
                              ---- Dave

                              Only a dog knows why a motorcyclist sticks his head out of a car window

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