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    VM22SS Fuel Tube O-Ring???

    I vaporblasted and rebuilt my carbs from my 78’ GS550 and replaced the gaskets and o-rings fromcycleorings.com. The description for the website says Part 'F' (o-rings) fits the fuel tubes; some VM carbs use 12 of these, some use 8, and some don't use any at all. I originally didn’t have any o-rings on the fuel tubes and the bike ran fine, but now that I have them reassembled, I can’t help wonder if they were missing in the first place or not. Can anyone give me some insight on what to do? Please see photos attached.GSphoto.jpg

    #2
    The circumferential bumps on those fuel tubes act as O-rings.
    Ed

    To measure is to know.

    Mikuni O-ring Kits For Sale...https://www.thegsresources.com/_foru...ts#post1703182

    Top Newbie Mistakes thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=171846

    Carb rebuild tutorial...https://gsarchive.bwringer.com/mtsac...d_Tutorial.pdf

    KZ750E Rebuild Thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...0-Resurrection

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      #3
      If the fuel T and connectors don't fit tightly into the carb body, soak them in gas for a few hours, or overnight. They swell up in the gas to seal properly
      1978 GS 1000 (since new)
      1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
      1978 GS 1000 (parts)
      1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
      1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
      1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
      2007 DRz 400S
      1999 ATK 490ES
      1994 DR 350SES

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        #4
        I always throw that crap in the trash and replace with metal ones with orings. I would see if Z1 Enterprises has them.
        MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
        1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

        NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


        I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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          #5
          Yeah, mine are only 40 years old and still working fine
          Your O rings last that long ?
          1978 GS 1000 (since new)
          1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
          1978 GS 1000 (parts)
          1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
          1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
          1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
          2007 DRz 400S
          1999 ATK 490ES
          1994 DR 350SES

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            #6
            Well T..Ive never had a fuel tube be crap from that molded on conglomeration staying stuck in a carb and having the core rip itself out making it absolutely useless. And ive never had to wait a week and half for another piece of crap to arrive to finish up a carb job. Ive never had a oring fail to seal the FIRST time when reinstalling with new orings..where the crap ones your taking a risk when trying to reuse any of them.. So in short, your as rare as a saquatch if yours is 40.
            MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
            1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

            NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


            I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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              #7
              Yep, still the same ones that came new with the bike when I bought it
              1978 GS 1000 (since new)
              1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
              1978 GS 1000 (parts)
              1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
              1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
              1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
              2007 DRz 400S
              1999 ATK 490ES
              1994 DR 350SES

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                #8
                Carbs ever been apart? And if so, how many times?? I got a set to rebuild and they were stuck so bad inside the bodies they literally ripped the rubber off the metal base tubes and I had to dig the crap out. I hate them with a deep burning ugly passion.
                MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                  #9
                  Original Carbs have been apart 4-5 times

                  I have a few more sets of VMs - just redid a set for a buyer, fuel T and tubes work fine after a good soak in gas
                  1978 GS 1000 (since new)
                  1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
                  1978 GS 1000 (parts)
                  1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
                  1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
                  1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
                  2007 DRz 400S
                  1999 ATK 490ES
                  1994 DR 350SES

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                    #10
                    Same here.

                    40-year rubber-T still sealing fine, carbs have been apart 2 times since I own the bike, unknown before that.
                    #1: 1979 GS 550 EC "Red" – Very first Bike / Overhaul thread        New here? ☛ Read the Top 10 Newbie mistakes thread
                    #2: 1978 GS 550 EC "Blue" – Can't make it a donor / "Rebuild" thread     Manuals (and much more): See Cliff's homepage here
                    #3: 2014 Moto Guzzi V7 II Racer – One needs a runner while wrenching
                    #4: 1980 Moto Guzzi V65C – Something to chill

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Big T View Post
                      Original Carbs have been apart 4-5 times

                      I have a few more sets of VMs - just redid a set for a buyer, fuel T and tubes work fine after a good soak in gas
                      Original tees still fine. Last time carbs were apart was 3 - 4 years ago and about 10 before that.
                      '84 GS750EF (Oct 2015 BOM) '79 GS1000N (June 2007 BOM) My Flickr site http://www.flickr.com/photos/soates50/
                      https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4306/35860327946_08fdd555ac_z.jpg

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                        #12
                        The point IS they SHOULD NOT have to be soaked in ANYTHING to friggin do their jobs. That's why they suck left donkey jewels.
                        MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                        1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                        NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                        I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                          #13
                          Had to soak them once in 40 years. Orings going to last that long .....maybe yes ....maybe no. Replace them if you have to .....otherwise.....
                          '84 GS750EF (Oct 2015 BOM) '79 GS1000N (June 2007 BOM) My Flickr site http://www.flickr.com/photos/soates50/
                          https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4306/35860327946_08fdd555ac_z.jpg

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                            #14
                            Z1 doesn't sell aftermarket fuel Tee's or fuel transfer tubes for the early GS550 carbs. There does seem to be one aftermarket source for the Tee that sells on ebay but it doesn't seem to be anodized so that's a red flag and there are no fuel transfer tubes regardless.

                            Personally, I'm not a big fan of soaking the parts to swell the polymer but I've done it more than once without issue. In fact, I fixed a leak on my KZ750 from the low fuel sensor unit this way and it's sealing fine after a couple years now. A new sensor was $80 and soaking the part was free so there you have it.
                            Ed

                            To measure is to know.

                            Mikuni O-ring Kits For Sale...https://www.thegsresources.com/_foru...ts#post1703182

                            Top Newbie Mistakes thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=171846

                            Carb rebuild tutorial...https://gsarchive.bwringer.com/mtsac...d_Tutorial.pdf

                            KZ750E Rebuild Thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...0-Resurrection

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nessism View Post
                              Z1 doesn't sell aftermarket fuel Tee's or fuel transfer tubes for the early GS550 carbs. There does seem to be one aftermarket source for the Tee that sells on ebay but it doesn't seem to be anodized so that's a red flag and there are no fuel transfer tubes regardless.

                              Personally, I'm not a big fan of soaking the parts to swell the polymer but I've done it more than once without issue. In fact, I fixed a leak on my KZ750 from the low fuel sensor unit this way and it's sealing fine after a couple years now. A new sensor was $80 and soaking the part was free so there you have it.
                              Exactly. Mine needed soaking to rejuninate them after the bike sat for several years. That was 2003 and I don't think the aftermarket replacements were even available then. The replacement ones are probably a better idea and if the old ones cause a problem I'll probably get some. But leaking once on a 40 year old bike doesn't mean I'm thinking of it any time soon.
                              '84 GS750EF (Oct 2015 BOM) '79 GS1000N (June 2007 BOM) My Flickr site http://www.flickr.com/photos/soates50/
                              https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4306/35860327946_08fdd555ac_z.jpg

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