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    Airbox Wrangling Protips

    I had to deal with a few issues last night while replacing the airbox after renewing the fuel lines on my GS850G, and it occurred to me that some of this might be useful info for other folks.

    Please add your own questions and airbox protips!


    Fixing Warped Airboxes:
    The front of the airbox where it connects to the carbs tends to bow in over time and can make getting the inner two boots completely onto the carbs nearly impossible.

    On some bikes, like the 1100E, you can use a wooden stick or something similar inserted from the rear to push forward against the middle of the airbox to get everything lined up; hold the stick until you tighten the boots. On other bikes, like the shafties, you don't have access to do this.

    A more reliable/long term solution is to remove the airbox, remove the carb/airbox boots, and use a heat gun (a hair dryer probably isn't hot enough) to soften the plastic slightly. Push/pull the plastic into place so it's flatter and hold it until it cools again. (Same goes for any GS airbox.) Be careful, keep the heat moving, and go slow so you don't make things worse. Plastic also expands and contracts when heated and cooled, so take it slow until you understand how the material responds.

    I normally just do this with my hands with gloves on or protected from the heat by a rag. If you're a crafty sort, perhaps you could come up with some sort of jig or plate to hold the row of carb holes straight and level as they cool.



    Replace the Boots and Clamps
    Should be first in the list, but replace your airbox/carb boots and the clamps if you haven't already, and if they're available from Suzuki. You will be astonished by how much these have shrunk over time; many folks have been convinced they received the wrong parts. Makes airbox installation about 1,000,000% easier. If your old clamps are in good shape, you don't really have to replace them, but most have been chewed up by non-JIS screwdrivers and bent over the years; new clamps will work much better.

    Same goes for other rubber tubes, clamps, etc. If replacements are available, buy them and make your life easier.



    Fixing Warped/Damaged Boots
    Sometimes despite your best efforts, you find that a carb/airbox boot has folded over last time it was installed. The damage can look insurmountable, and sometimes it is. But quite often, you can undo a surprising amount of damage and re-shape the boot so it's usable again. You can fix badly folded areas, but if the boot has torn or split, you'll definitely need to replace it.

    First remove the boot from the airbox. Next, find something round, metal, and sturdy that's the same or close to the size of the carb inlet. I usually use an old bearing or bearing race since that's what I have lying around.

    Next, heat up the boot with a heat gun. Go slow; you want to soften it, not melt it. You need a heat gun; a hair dryer isn't hot enough. As soon as you can, gently place the boot over your round thing and add the clamp. Gently massage the damaged area into shape with your fingers using a rag to protect yourself from the heat. Use the edge of the clamp to help persuade the edge back into shape. Don't tighten the clamp until everything looks good. Very lightly tighten the clamp, ensuring the boot stays fully seated on the round thing. Set it all aside to cool.



    Installing and Removing Insanely Tight Airboxes
    This gets model-specific, but many principles can apply broadly.

    On the 1100E models, the rear airbox covers the battery and is a royal pain in the giblets to remove and replace. You can make this far, far easier by heating one specific corner of the airbox and pushing it in slightly using a flat surface. I don't remember which corner this is, but it's the corner that always hangs up and has a bunch of scars on it from all the yanking over the years. The amount of reshaping you need to do is quite minor. Go slow; you want to soften the plastic, not melt or burn it.

    On many of the smaller GS models like the twins the airbox seems impossible to remove and replace. The "secret" many miss is to get the plastic inner rear fender out of your way. You don't have to remove it; just remove any mounting screws for the fender, then pop it loose from its mounts. This allows the fender to move back a bit, giving juuuuust enough clearance for the airbox to move back and wiggle out.



    Seal Your Airboxes
    Airbox snorkels, lids, and seals seem to have gone missing on a lot of bikes, and if you don't realize there are parts missing it's impossible to get the carburetion right.

    For example, shafties NEED the snorkel on the back of the airbox to run right. And on all bikes, you have to ensure that air can only enter the airbox where and how it's supposed to and that dirty air can't bypass the filter. Use weather stripping or whatever to seal covers, lids, and around the filter as needed. Sealing the airbox is a well-known rite of passage for shaftie owners.

    Same for airbox lids on other models. Many have been lost over the years, and many have been removed and discarded by ignorant previous owners looking for "more airflow". (If you increase airflow, you also have to rejet, the step most people skipped.) Some misguided folks even cut holes in their airboxes... the '80s were a strange time.

    Aside from some idle/off-idle leanness easily sorted by richening the idle mixture screws a tad, all GS models ran and carbureted beautifully straight from the factory. Before you start farting around with pods, pipes, cutting holes, etc. you'll do much better if you can get the bike back to factory condition as a baseline.
    Last edited by bwringer; 11-03-2019, 01:27 PM.
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    #2
    On my 1982 450t the airbox can be somewhat easily removed from the frame for cleaning, repair etc.

    You'll need to remove the carbs (of course) remove the "intake boots" from the cylinder head, remove the cam chain tensioner then the battery tray. Remove the drive sprocket cover and either tie it off to the side or remove the clutch cable, either works. Once you remove the air box mount screws you'll be able to drop the airbox downward then forward (toward the engine) a bit. Standing on the left (clutch lever side) of the bike, rotate the bell shaped bottom of the airbox toward you clearing the frame brace, you can then wiggle it back and forth, up/down etc and remove it out the left side.

    Upon reassembly, leave the airbox mounting screws out and shift the airbox forward to mate them up to the carbs. Use a pair of needle nosed pliers, hemostats etc to pull the thin rubber sleeves from the inside of the airbox onto the carbs to be sure you have them well seated THEN put the airbox mounting screws in. Without doing this crucial step you'll have difficulty getting a good air tight seal between the carbs and airbox.
    1980 Yamaha XS1100G (Current bike)
    1982 GS450txz (former bike)
    LONG list of previous bikes not listed here.

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      #3
      You guys better not ever do carb work on an SV650. It's so easy it'll make you cry.
      '20 Ducati Multistrada 1260S, '93 Ducati 750SS, '01 SV650S, '07 DL650, '01 DR-Z400S, '80 GS1000S, '85 RZ350

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        #4
        Awesome write up. Having experienced this myself a few times, I appreciate you taking the time to share.
        David
        1998 Suzuki Bandit
        1978 GS750 gone but not forgotten
        1978 GS1000 - gone
        1981 GS850 - gone

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          #5
          Anybody wanna help the GS550 owners with shoving the carbs back in there?

          Been a while, but I remember this: removing all the battery box bolts yields a little more space.
          A special DIY tool for pulling the airbox boot over the carb mouth after it's folded over wrong, comes in handy. Looks like an ice pick with the tip bent 90º and the point dulled.
          1982 GS1100G- road bike
          1990 GSX750F-(1127cc '92 GSXR engine)
          1987 Honda CBR600F Hurricane

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            #6
            On many of the smaller GS models like the twins the airbox seems impossible to remove and replace. The "secret" many miss is to get the plastic inner rear fender out of your way. You don't have to remove it; just remove any mounting screws for the fender, then pop it loose from its mounts. This allows the fender to move back a bit, giving juuuuust enough clearance for the airbox to move back and wiggle out.
            Indeed, on my gsx400s, (and other brands of parallel twins I have(Honda,Kawasaki )you need to do this to get the carbs off..

            but getting the gsx400 airbox itself out, is a much more involved convolution..
            Last edited by Gorminrider; 11-05-2019, 10:35 AM.

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              #7
              Also, in case anyone didn't know: you can score a perfectly cromulent heat gun at Harbor Freight for under $15 full price. There's almost always a coupon available that brings this under $10:


              It's an incredibly useful tool with a million uses. Hair dryers won't do the same jobs because they diffuse the air far more. Every garage needs a heat gun.

              They also sell a heat gun accessory kit with a few useful nozzles and such. Not essential, but can be a way to focus heat, or keep it away from sensitive surfaces.
              1983 GS850G, Cosmos Blue.
              2005 KLR685, Aztec Pink - Turd II.3, the ReReReTurdening
              2015 Yamaha FJ-09, Magma Red Power Corrupts...
              Eat more venison.

              Please provide details. The GSR Hive Mind is nearly omniscient, but not yet clairvoyant.

              Celeriter equita, converteque saepe.

              SUPPORT THIS SITE! DONATE TODAY!

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                #8
                Originally posted by bwringer View Post
                ...cromulent...
                Had to look that one up. Definitely going to work it into everyday conversation.

                Update: The wife was not ecstatic when I used it to describe her. The swelling will go down pretty rapidly, but the bruises may take a while to to fade. You have been warned...
                Last edited by RichDesmond; 11-05-2019, 11:31 PM.
                '20 Ducati Multistrada 1260S, '93 Ducati 750SS, '01 SV650S, '07 DL650, '01 DR-Z400S, '80 GS1000S, '85 RZ350

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                  #9
                  The etymology of "cromulent" is fun... just a made-up word that appeared on The Simpsons, but for some reason people started using it. And now it's in most of the up-to-date, hip dictionaries.







                  Man, you can sort of tell from the discourse around there that it's getting cold outside.
                  1983 GS850G, Cosmos Blue.
                  2005 KLR685, Aztec Pink - Turd II.3, the ReReReTurdening
                  2015 Yamaha FJ-09, Magma Red Power Corrupts...
                  Eat more venison.

                  Please provide details. The GSR Hive Mind is nearly omniscient, but not yet clairvoyant.

                  Celeriter equita, converteque saepe.

                  SUPPORT THIS SITE! DONATE TODAY!

                  Co-host of "The Riding Obsession" sport-touring motorcycling podcast at tro.bike!

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                    #10
                    LOL yep snowy day

                    Originally posted by bwringer View Post
                    The etymology of "cromulent" is fun... just a made-up word that appeared on The Simpsons, but for some reason people started using it. And now it's in most of the up-to-date, hip dictionaries.







                    Man, you can sort of tell from the discourse around there that it's getting cold outside.
                    1983 GS 1100 ESD :D

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                      #11
                      DOh .. that warp in the box made getting those 2 center boots on a PAIN! Jeez why didnt I think of the heat gun thingy .. Nice one.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by bwringer View Post
                        The etymology of "cromulent" is fun... just a made-up word that appeared on The Simpsons, but for some reason people started using it. And now it's in most of the up-to-date, hip dictionaries...
                        Hmm, that kind of spoils it. I had visions of it being rarely heard since the 1850s, with the exception of William F. Buckley using it sarcastically to characterize a debate opponents argument...

                        Oh well.
                        '20 Ducati Multistrada 1260S, '93 Ducati 750SS, '01 SV650S, '07 DL650, '01 DR-Z400S, '80 GS1000S, '85 RZ350

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                          #13
                          A few additional thoughts on airbox sealing, in case you're looking for a winter arts and crafts project:

                          The Foam

                          I use high-density black or gray closed-cell foam self-adhesive weatherstripping, which should be available about anywhere.

                          Something sort of like this stuff:


                          It seems to last for several years with no issues and doesn't deteriorate with all the heat and vapor.

                          On shafties, you'll need to seal the airbox sides, and the top of the metal air filter frame. Once the foam is installed on the air filter frame, I grease the foam where it contacts the airbox to make it possible to slide the air filter into place.

                          Obviously, everything needs to be super-clean for the adhesive to stick. But overall, it's pretty straightforward.


                          Sealing the Halves

                          Also, at least on some bikes (I think most or all of the shafties, anyway), there's a rubber seal between the upper and lower halves of the airbox that can deteriorate as well. I disassembled my airbox several years back and replaced this with weatherstripping.
                          1983 GS850G, Cosmos Blue.
                          2005 KLR685, Aztec Pink - Turd II.3, the ReReReTurdening
                          2015 Yamaha FJ-09, Magma Red Power Corrupts...
                          Eat more venison.

                          Please provide details. The GSR Hive Mind is nearly omniscient, but not yet clairvoyant.

                          Celeriter equita, converteque saepe.

                          SUPPORT THIS SITE! DONATE TODAY!

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                            #14
                            Thanks for the reminder about these. Been a long time since I have HAD a complete airbox. My son has an 82 650L with a complete box, that I am sure will need to be restored to a sealed state. Until now, I was overlooking this...
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