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    Battery Overhaul ?!?!

    A young Danish user of KZ650info.com named "Coninsan" submitted this post which I have presented verbatim. I intend to give it a go. The Alum was tough to find however, I needed to order it from a specialty store in Seattle. It was promised by Thurs. 24th. I will update as to what I have found out/experienced within the week.

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    Submitted June 3rd 2010
    P.S. Enjoy the English style. Even though it is not his first language, he did well.


    Hurrah!

    I would like to talk a little about something I have found out about how to recycle old dead lead batteries.

    You can in just one hour to save it and give it more capacity than it had from the start. All you need is a little Alum, can be purchased in any general store, and an electric kettle.

    When using lead batteries their mostly filled with sulfuric acid, and a relatively strong mix, as the battery is used sulfur is deposited on the lead terminals achieving "sulfurisation" you can harvest energy from this with the household substance Alum.
    Alum is completely safe and is normally used to polish silverware, preserve food and wash clothes with. It is 100% environmentally friendly, so you can say to your battery gets a little greener after this.

    Doing this will increase the capacity of your battery with up to 50%, typically between 20-30%. Volts remain the same. The saved battery can be expected to live up to twice as long as it did before because Alun is a much more stable and don't dissolve the terminals as the old acid does.

    I've tried this with fresh batteries and it does not work. But with old batteries, I have gained a total rescue, and used them successfully on my old motorcycle, which still runs smoothly.

    A 22ah battery ended up being a 28ah battery after this treatment, tested at constant load with a 12W bulb and measuring the time it remains lit. The battery could not hold power for more than 30min before treatment.

    It is as simple as this:

    1st First you take your old lead acid battery, which long ago does not work anymore, and has lost capacity. However, roasted and sealed batteries can not be saved.

    2nd Empty the old acid out of the battery and dispose of in a propper way, usually down to recycling.
    And clean the battery carefully with water a 4-5 times so you are sure that all the acid is out of battery. Be careful not to get too much on your fingers.

    3rd Bring your electric kettle to boil for at least 1 liter of water.

    To get the most out of your battery, use demineralized water, depending on how hard the water is in your area you will get varying results, therefore demineralized water is most optimally. I used plain tap water and it gave no complications.

    4th When the water has boiled you let it sit in just a minute or two while you find a bowl.

    5th Measure 100grams Alum up and gently poor it into the bowl, avoid spilling.

    6th Poor, while stirring, 1 liter of water into the bowl, make sure that all the Alum is dissolved.

    7th Cover the bowl and let it cool until it is hand warm.

    8th Pour the mixture on to your battery up to the stated max level. Do not be afraid to get this on my fingers, it is quite harmless, it will nevertheless dry out your fingers, the remnants can just be poured down the drain.

    9th charge up the battery and check levels on a constant rate, if the levels fall below the minimum, fill it only up to max with more water.

    10th When your battery is finished charging, it is ready for use.

    Good luck with your 'new' battery
    Last edited by Guest; 06-24-2010, 04:47 AM.

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    let us know how it works. Apparently there are different kinds of Alum; which did you use?



    this is the stuff referenced

    This powder is used in baking powder, pickling, homemade play dough, and personal hygeine products.



    sounds like an intellegent guy and is building an electric bike
    Last edited by posplayr; 06-24-2010, 11:05 AM.

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      #3
      It took quite a few calls to merely locate a store that knew what Alum was. I will post which type when I get it, hopefully today.

      I wonder if this battery trick has contributed to his electric bike project. I skimmed the thread which seemed to go off on a Co2 tangent. I do not remember any mention of which type batteries were "in house" for the Dane. Sounds like he has been doing a lot of thinking as of late about batteries nonetheless. He also has reported that he has had success with the Alum. I believe there is a very good chance this trick might actually work!

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        #4
        I have used both EDTA and epsom salt to rejuventate dead batteries.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Qdude View Post
          It took quite a few calls to merely locate a store that knew what Alum was. I will post which type when I get it, hopefully today.

          I wonder if this battery trick has contributed to his electric bike project. I skimmed the thread which seemed to go off on a Co2 tangent. I do not remember any mention of which type batteries were "in house" for the Dane. Sounds like he has been doing a lot of thinking as of late about batteries nonetheless. He also has reported that he has had success with the Alum. I believe there is a very good chance this trick might actually work!
          I assume he is looking for a cheap source for batteries. Using his quoted numbers, he would need 27 2 14 ampHr batteries to get to his 4600 Kwatt-hr stated capacity. Even for a $40 battery that is over $1000. So if he can use $25 is salts to resurrect old worthless batteries he will be way ahead of the game.
          A GSXR 600 gets its fire breathing heart torn out, to make room for 4.6Kwh of batteries and a 42hp, 110nm electric motor, it'll have a top speed around 160kmh, with a single gear, and a 100km range depending on your driving stile and speed.

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            #6
            Originally posted by almarconi View Post
            I have used both EDTA and epsom salt to rejuventate dead batteries.
            Got any directions?

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              #7
              If you have a chance you may want to try and revive your old battery. I've had good luck with adding EDTA to batteries and then putting them on a slow charger. If you can't get the EDTA you can use epsom salt. Take some water, heat it up and dissolve the epsom salt in the water. Keep adding the salt until the solution is saturated (meaning no more salt will dissolve). Let the solution cool and then add it to your battery. Put the battery on a slow charger and let it charge.

              I posted this is another thread. Drain out some of the old electrolyte and replace it with the EDTA or salt solution. Some times it works, sometimes it doesn't. If you have some time to experiment, the chemicals and a battery charger have at it.

              Here is a link that also describes the procedure

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                #8
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                  #9
                  ??

                  Any result for what "Alum" is?
                  G
                  sigpic1983 1100 Katana - soon to be turbo Busa powered.
                  2007 GSXR1K-Sold-But not forgotten.
                  Have 2X ZG14 engine's for '81 GS750E project.
                  '82 GS750E frame is TITLED awaiting GSXR1127/12B engine and '81 1100E slowly being built.:eek:

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by gmansyz View Post
                    Any result for what "Alum" is?
                    G

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                      #11
                      Got the Alum, Bulk, in a clear plastic bag. It is medium granules sized. one third the size of rock salt.

                      I am curious about how well to flush the old battery. I flushed it 6 times shaking it as I emptied it. I had poured the original acid into a bucket with enough baking soda that it stopped foaming. Subsequent rinsings were in the basin in the basement with baking soda poured in it. I could get acid out of the battery up to past ten rinsings. I put some soda water in the battery cells and continued rinsing. 15 times. still getting foaming in the sink when the acid hits the soda. Now I have the battery sitting upside down in the basin while I boil the water.

                      More to come...

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                        #12
                        process sounds a wee bit too dangerous

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                          #13
                          I just recycled 3 old batteries... I could have given this a go!
                          1980 GS1000G - Sold
                          1978 GS1000E - Finished!
                          1980 GS550E - Fixed & given to a friend
                          1983 GS750ES Special - Sold
                          2009 KLR 650 - Sold - gone to TX!
                          1982 GS1100G - Rebuilt and finished. - Sold
                          2009 TE610 - Dual Sporting around dreaming of Dakar..... - FOR SALE!

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                          TWINPOT BRAKE UPGRADE LINKY: http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...e-on-78-Skunk/

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                            #14
                            Slow charge? I am just charging mine. If that is a part of the process then it is a part I will skip. Seems to be working so far, the battery is sucking up charge like any empty battery would. It is gassing. It has not exploded nor turned green.

                            process sounds a wee bit too dangerous

                            And you ride motorcycles on the same streets as cars driven by teenagers?
                            I dare say by comparison this is as safe as sleeping.
                            Last edited by Guest; 06-24-2010, 09:13 PM.

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                              #15
                              Slow charge it is. I will leave them overnight and see how it goes tomorrow.

                              Cheers!

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