Won't Start

[GS650E_81]

Congrats, dude. This has been an epic adventure, hasn't it?
You can do the fastest idle synch while you find someone in the Cinci area with a CarbTune. Again, well done.

Epic...yes. The carbs were not as bad as I had thought. The hardest part so far has been fooling with getting these carbs on, they are still not on correctly.

I still have to take the carbs off and adjust the floats to 22.4 as well.

This is probably a dumb question, but is there any way I could maybe make the bike pick up when I roll the throttle? I mean it picks up, but barely at all..would that be because of the vaccum leak?

Thanks again for everything Koolaid! I owe you a case of beer!

[koolaid_kid]

I'll drink to that!

But seriously, it is a combination of events. First and foremost, you absolutely must fix that leak immediately. I recommend letting it set until then.
Study up on the fastest idle synch while you beg for someone in Cinci to come over and CarbTune it.
Then check it out after that. If it does not run correctly we can discuss it.

And you are welcome. If you noticed, the entire community participated, that is just how we are.

[tom203]

Hooray! persistence will always will out in long run- nice work. Now send some of that warm air my way- only 35 here yesterday, but they are talking 70 soon and that should banish the ice that has my bike trapped in basement.

[tom203]

I missed this before....."This is probably a dumb question, but is there any way I could maybe make the bike pick up when I roll the throttle? I mean it picks up, but barely at all..would that be because of the vaccum leak?"

Do you mean the airbox boot leak? Did you have air filter element in during your voyage. My bike will start and idle OK with no element and sorta run, but I doubt it would be happy if I gave it much throttle with no element.

[GS650E_81]

I missed this before....."This is probably a dumb question, but is there any way I could maybe make the bike pick up when I roll the throttle? I mean it picks up, but barely at all..would that be because of the vaccum leak?"

Do you mean the airbox boot leak? Did you have air filter element in during your voyage. My bike will start and idle OK with no element and sorta run, but I doubt it would be happy if I gave it much throttle with no element.

I went for a ride again this morning across the street in the cemetery.

I rode around in second gear, when I gave it some throttle around 2-3k it would not accelerate much at all, then when it hit around 3.5-4k it would pick up good.

It was a fun little 20 minute ride. BUT, my girlfriend came to find me in the cemetery, as I came to a slow and went into first, I accidentally let out the clutch and it died. We spoke for about 30 seconds then she was off to grocery shop.

I tried to fire her back up...nothing. I heard it try to turn over just a little bit, nothing. I moved the petcock to reserve, tried... nothing. Hmmm..

I just put 2 gallons of gas in it, so I know it should not be close to empty.

I accidentally touched the manifold when I went to change to reserve. Ouch! damn it burnt my skin. Is it normal to be that hot?? It is about 55 degrees out with a nice cool breeze, beautiful day.

After sitting for about 4 minutes. I tried it again, it cranked for 3 seconds then fired up! YES.

The battery is brand new all gauges and lights are bright.


So was the engine to hot to start back up??

edit: Tom - yes the element is in, everything is put back together as normal.

[koolaid_kid]

If you have an intake leak it will run lean. If it is running lean it will be much hotter than normal. If it is much hotter than normal it will be difficult to start back up immediately. See how it all cascades?
It is worse with air cooled engines, unfortunately.

[tom203]

Stay out of cemetaries- very bad vibes for bike and your girlfriend! Remember that these bikes left Japan running lean and so a leak in airbox makes things leaner as revs go up. Next time it's hot, but seems slow/unwilling to restart, try adding a little choke to richen it up as you crank. You'll get this all sorted out.

[GS650E_81]

If you have an intake leak it will run lean. If it is running lean it will be much hotter than normal. If it is much hotter than normal it will be difficult to start back up immediately. See how it all cascades?
It is worse with air cooled engines, unfortunately.

I see.. I am going to order the new airbox boots. Will it kill the engine if I ride it around in 20 minute intervals? I know heat is bad news so I don't want to crack the block or anything..

I am just trying to get out and enjoy this nice weather.

[GS650E_81]

I rode it to the store...bad idea, it died at a stop light and did not start back up. It cranked for one second then nothing.. I finally got it back running after sitting for 20 minutes...

Must be the heat..

[tom203]

I rode it to the store...bad idea, it died at a stop light and did not start back up. It cranked for one second then nothing.. I finally got it back running after sitting for 20 minutes...

Must be the heat..

So you mean it stopped cranking after 1 second? if so, you got some electrical issues to play with, so don't blame carbs! Check connections! .In 20 minutes in 70 degree heat, the bike is barely reaching operating temp - the ignitor internals are probably at their temp, BUT they wouldn't interfere with cranking.

[GS650E_81]

So you mean it stopped cranking after 1 second? if so, you got some electrical issues to play with, so don't blame carbs! Check connections! .In 20 minutes in 70 degree heat, the bike is barely reaching operating temp - the ignitor internals are probably at their temp, BUT they wouldn't interfere with cranking.

Which electrical wires should I check ?

[tom203]

Which electrical wires should I check ?

If it doesn't crank or stops cranking after 2 seconds, I blame the ignition switch or kill switch first- more so if this happens after brief ride. Either of these switches behaving badly would cut power to starter circuit and ignition circuit (maybe this is why it stalled at light). Do you know how to "jump" the starter solenoid ?- this would be a simple test the next time it ceased cranking normally, cuz it bypasses both switches.

[GS650E_81]

If it doesn't crank or stops cranking after 2 seconds, I blame the ignition switch or kill switch first- more so if this happens after brief ride. Either of these switches behaving badly would cut power to starter circuit and ignition circuit (maybe this is why it stalled at light). Do you know how to "jump" the starter solenoid ?- this would be a simple test the next time it ceased cranking normally, cuz it bypasses both switches.

Nope don't know How. I'm stuck in the cemetery as I write this I never learn do I lol.
I rode for 20 minutes then I wanted to run a test so I sped to 35 applied
The brakes shifted down from 3 to 1 and came to a complete stop and just as I suspected it died and now won't crank at all

[tom203]

You're learning alot and more to come! Electrical stuff is much easier than Carb stuff. Find your starter solenoid - should be near battery- little green/yellow wire is the trigger from starter button. By "jumping", we mean to supply + 12 volts to this terminal ( from battery positive ), this will cause solenoid to engage and starter motor to turn. Beware!!!! put bike on centerstand and in neutral for safety, cuz "jumping' doesn't need ignition or kill switch- it will do its thing. Once you figure this out, you can do in cemetery at next stall- if it cranks when bypassed like this, somethings wrong with ignition or kill switch.

[GS650E_81]

You're learning alot and more to come! Electrical stuff is much easier than Carb stuff. Find your starter solenoid - should be near battery- little green/yellow wire is the trigger from starter button. By "jumping", we mean to supply + 12 volts to this terminal ( from battery positive ), this will cause solenoid to engage and starter motor to turn. Beware!!!! put bike on centerstand and in neutral for safety, cuz "jumping' doesn't need ignition or kill switch- it will do its thing. Once you figure this out, you can do in cemetery at next stall- if it cranks when bypassed like this, somethings wrong with ignition or kill switch.

I REALLY need your guys help now! The bike is stuck in the cemetery, it won't start at all. My GF came and picked me up.

When I push the stat button all I hear is a very loud humming noise coming from the right side of the bike near the battery/air element. I checked fuses there, they all seemed okay.

Any idea on what this is???? Please help, I need to get bike out of cemetery!!

P.S. I'm a dumbass lol