Battery Charged, Starter Spins Slowly, No Start

[cowboyup3371]

Jeep, post 11 shows the link to my original starter thread that caused a rebuild. This issue is since that rebuild.

[cowboyup3371]

Get it as smooth as possible without distorting it's shape. The rougher it is the more it will arc and spark, and cause the same thing to happen again. It will never be perfect, but might get you by for a while. When the starter spins like you did it in the video, with no load, the torque should have it trying to jump off the bench.

I think you are right here OldVet. Looking at the copper, I'm seeing some rough spots that I don't think are good to have in there and nothing I've done today is getting them out. I cleaned it last time per the recommendations I was given but really don't think I did it correctly. I'm about ready to throw in the towel and get a new starter later this year or early next. I haven't quit yet but I've about had it.

[JEEPRUSTY]

Will this not leave you bikeless?
An ebay starter may suffice?

[cowboyup3371]

Yes it would Jeep but I bring my family out here in two weeks and need to make a concerted effort this time to get my bills under control once they are here. Doing that means I need to pay off my truck loan and my IRS tax bill quickly so I can get some relief every month. With the way I'm planning my budget, there's no room for more mechanical expenses right now nor is it easy to justify them. If things don't work out this week with what I have done, I'll hang it up until after the new year when I hope I will have a better handle on the money.

Course, it's the same damn thing I say every year which makes it even more important I try to do something about it this time.

[OldVet66]

I know the feeling. I have a Honda 650 starter hiding in the basement somewhere. If they turn out to be the same, I'll send it to you. Finding it might be an adventure.

[JEEPRUSTY]

Zedder dbase shows that there is two variations on the OEM part number

31100-43401

[cowboyup3371]

Here's where I am with recleaning the "business" end of the starter. There are some good pits in there like I already said but I'll try to throw it back into the bike tomorrow evening.

[JEEPRUSTY]

this should be working now

what a PITA

Part # = 31100-30B00-H17
Part Description = MOTOR ASSEMBLY,STARTING
Model Count = 36
GSX550ED 1983 572 GSX550E STREET
GSX550LD 1983 572 GSX550L STREET
GS300LD 1983 300 GS300L STREET
GS300LF 1985 300 GS300L STREET
GS300LZ 1982 300 GS300L STREET
GS450ET 1980 448 GS450E STREET
GS450EX 1981 448 GS450E STREET
GS450EZ 1982 448 GS450E STREET
GS450EZ2 1982 1/2 448 GS450E STREET
GS450GAD 1983 448 GS450GA STREET
GS450GAF 1985 448 GS450GA STREET
GS450GAZ 1982 448 GS450GA STREET
GS450LD 1983 448 GS450L STREET
GS450LF 1985 448 GS450L STREET
GS450LG 1986 448 GS450L STREET
GS450LH 1987 448 GS450L STREET
GS450LJ 1988 448 GS450L STREET
GS450LT 1980 448 GS450L STREET
GS450LX 1981 448 GS450L STREET
GS450LZ 1982 448 GS450L STREET
GS450TXD 1983 448 GS450TX STREET
GS450TX 1981 448 GS450T STREET
GS450TZ 1982 448 GS450T STREET
GS550ESE 1984 549 GS550ES STREET
GS550ESF 1985 549 GS550ES STREET
GS550ESG 1986 549 GS550ES STREET
GS550LF 1985 549 GS550L STREET
GS550LG 1986 549 GS550L STREET
GS650GD 1983 673 GS650G KATANA STREET
GS650GLD 1983 673 GS650GL STREET
GS650GLX 1981 673 GS650GL STREET
GS650GLZ 1982 673 GS650GL STREET
GS650GTD 1983 673 GS650GT STREET
GS650GTZ 1982 673 GS650GT STREET
GS650GX 1981 673 GS650G KATANA STREET
XN85D 1983 673 XN85 TURBO SPORT
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[OldVet66]

I just talked to a friend who had recently changed a starter on a 550. It sat in water due to a mystery hole clog. I'm going to get it and introduce it to a bucket of kerosene and see if the rotor is salvageable. You might get lucky.

[cowboyup3371]

Mine is the Nippon Denso model.

[cowboyup3371]

Thanks Jeep but my bike isn't even listed in your thing there. My part number is - MOTOR ASSY,STAR
31100-49500-H17 (replaces 31100-47010), good only for the -

GS550L (1980)
GS550M (1982)
GS550T (1981)
GS650E (1981)
GS650E (1982)

[JEEPRUSTY]

Damn how am I getting so confused


Part # = 31100-49500-H17
Part Description = MOTOR ASSEMBLY,STARTING
Model Count = 12
GS1100ED 1983 1100 GS1100E STREET
GS1100ESD 1983 1100 GS1100ES STREET
GS1100EZ 1982 1100 GS1100E STREET
GS550ET 1980 549 GS550E STREET
GS550LT 1980 549 GS550L STREET
GS550LX 1981 549 GS550L STREET
GS550LZ 1982 549 GS550L STREET
GS550MZ 1982 549 GS550M KATANA STREET
GS550TX 1981 549 GS550T STREET
GS650EX 1981 673 GS650E STREET
GS650EZ 1982 673 GS650E STREET
X4481T UK UK X4481T UK
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[cowboyup3371]

Okay. I think it's pretty official this starter is dead. Just re-installed it after assembling it the exact same way but greased this time and here is what I get:

Key on at battery 12.6v
At the battery side of the solenoid - 12.6v
At the starter side of the solenoid - 12.5v
At the starter - 12.5v
No turn

When I have the free money that is not impacted by the move or me trying to settle my financial issues once and for all I'll work on getting another starter. Thank you for all the help; I think I've learned a few things here.

[JEEPRUSTY]

I cannot recall did you boost it with a car battery?
12. anything seems low to me.

[OldVet66]

The starter motor is a Nipon Denso 31100-47010 028000-6831. It is the superseded part, The rotor looks exactly the same. I could FedEx it out of the shop in the morning. You will need to get new brushes I think. That would basically give you a new starter motor. https://picasaweb.google.com/rsmith6...eat=directlink