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    No fire after jump start

    GS 1100 GK jump start attempt with car, now no fire. Starter spins well with new battery, fuel at plugs. What component could have been damaged?
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    #2
    Originally posted by DMHolt57 View Post
    GS 1100 GK jump start attempt with car, now no fire. Starter spins well with new battery, fuel at plugs. What component could have been damaged?

    Was the car running?
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      #3
      Greetings and Salutations!!

      Hi Mr. DMHolt57,

      What Mr. Octain is eluding to is that if the car was running when you tried to jump start the bike you probably fried the bike's regulator/rectifier unit. But don't worry. They're not too expensive to pick up used on eBay. Let's hope the igniter is not damaged. Those are very expensive. But it can be replaced with a new ignition from Dyna-tek (the Dyna-S) for about 1/3 the price of an igniter.

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      Last edited by Guest; 01-23-2013, 07:46 PM.

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        #4
        Yes, the car was running according to my brother. I bought it as a project and have had shop clean the carbs and I cleaned and red coated tank, had been Kreamed and was coming off in sheets, replaced the starter and battery. It was running when I bought it but not well over 4000 rpm. Bought a new 1100gl in '83 so have a nostalgic urge to get this one back up and running.
        Last edited by Guest; 01-23-2013, 08:52 PM.

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          #5
          Originally posted by DMHolt57 View Post
          Yes, I bought it as a project and have cleaned the carbs and tank, replaced the starter and battery. It was running when I bought it but not well over 4000 rpm. Bought a new 1100gl in '83 so have a nostalgic urge to get this one back up and running.
          That's all fine but you still have not answered if the car was running when you jump started. If it was you probably fried the r/r and possibly the igniter.
          1984 GS1100GK newest addition to the heard
          80 GS 1000gt- most favorite ride love this bike
          1978 GS1000E- Known as "RoadKill" , Finished :D
          83 gs750ed- first new purchase
          85 EX500- vintage track weapon
          1958Ducati 98 Tourismo
          “Remember When in doubt use full throttle, It may not improve the situation ,but it will end the suspense ,
          If it isn't going to make it faster or safer it isn't worth doing

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            #6
            Hi,

            For starters, have a look at the carb cleaning procedures on my little website to be sure you have performed them properly. Aftermarket "carb kits" are not recommended as they contain an incomplete selection of inferior parts. Normally all you need is an O-ring kit from http://cycleorings.com, the proper tools, and a bucket of carb dip. Clean and re-use all of the internal jets, replace all of the internal O-rings. If you must replace a worn or broken part, use only Suzuki OEM carb parts. They just work.

            Then proceed through the maintenance lists in your "mega-welcome", properly addressing each item. After completion you should have a safe and reliable motorcycle. Skipping steps or taking shortcuts will be frustrating at least, and hazardous at worse.


            Thank you for your indulgence,

            BassCliff
            Last edited by Guest; 01-23-2013, 08:13 PM.

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              #7
              Pull a spark plug and put it in the spark plug boot and ground it to the head.
              Try to start it and see if you get a spark to jump at the plug.
              1983 GS 1100E w/ 1230 kit, .340 lift Web Cams, Ape heavy duty valve springs, 83 1100 head with 1.5mm oversized SS intake valves, 1150 crank, Vance and Hines 1150 SuperHub, Star Racing high volume oil pump gears, 36mm carebs Dynojet stage 3 jet kit, Posplayr's SSPB, Progressive rear shocks and fork springs, Dyna 2000, Dynatek green coils and Vance & Hines 4-1 exhaust.
              1985 GS1150ES stock with 85 Red E bodywork.

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                #8
                Fried igniter...

                If you ever HAVE to jump a bike from a car, don't have the car running.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by TheCafeKid View Post
                  Fried igniter...

                  If you ever HAVE to jump a bike from a car, don't have the car running.
                  That is what I'm thinking.
                  1984 GS1100GK newest addition to the heard
                  80 GS 1000gt- most favorite ride love this bike
                  1978 GS1000E- Known as "RoadKill" , Finished :D
                  83 gs750ed- first new purchase
                  85 EX500- vintage track weapon
                  1958Ducati 98 Tourismo
                  “Remember When in doubt use full throttle, It may not improve the situation ,but it will end the suspense ,
                  If it isn't going to make it faster or safer it isn't worth doing

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by DMHolt57 View Post
                    Yes, the car was running according to my brother.
                    He said yes.
                    sigpicMrBill Been a GSR member on and off since April 2002
                    1980 GS 750E Bought new in Feb of 1980
                    2015 CAN AM RTS


                    Stuff I've done to my bike:dancing: 1100E front end with new Sonic springs, 1100E swing arm conversion with new Progressive shocks installed, 530 sprockets/chain conversion, new SS brake lines, new brake pads. New SS fasteners through out. Rebuilt carbs, new EBC clutch springs and horn installed. New paint. Motor runs strong.

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                      #11
                      I can say I have heard of this happening but never knew anyone who it happend to.
                      Cant say that anymore.
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                      82 GS850
                      78 GS1000
                      04 HD Fatboy

                      ...............................____
                      .................________-|___\____
                      ..;.;;.:;:;.,;.|__(O)___|____/_(O)|

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                        #12
                        ...so if it turns out to be the igniter, do I go with the dyna setup?

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                          #13
                          The R/R has no bearing on the bike running. You should be able to remove the R/R and still run. A good battery will operate the ignition just fine for a while. The R/R is part of the system to keep the battery charged, but it does not make the bike start, nor does it make the bike run. It regulates the AC electricity produced in the stator, and converts it to DC to keep the battery charged. Its possible that you smoked an ignition part or something, or it could be a coincidence, but it is not the R/R. The R/R NEVER is working until AFTER your bike starts anyway. That is when your alternator starts working.

                          I smoked a solenoid on my CBX when I started by jumping it off a car. I figured that was a coincidence until I smoked another one on a GS1000G jumping it off a car. I really don't understand why it did, but it has happened to me twice. See if you have spark. I'm not saying that the R/R can't be fried, but I am saying that the R/R isn't needed to start and operate the motorcycle, until the battery goes flat.
                          sigpic Too old, too many bikes, too many cars, too many things

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by DMHolt57 View Post
                            ...so if it turns out to be the igniter, do I go with the dyna setup?
                            Post a pic with the numbers from your ignitor . I believe if you need on that I have a couple. This is the 83 gk correct?
                            1984 GS1100GK newest addition to the heard
                            80 GS 1000gt- most favorite ride love this bike
                            1978 GS1000E- Known as "RoadKill" , Finished :D
                            83 gs750ed- first new purchase
                            85 EX500- vintage track weapon
                            1958Ducati 98 Tourismo
                            “Remember When in doubt use full throttle, It may not improve the situation ,but it will end the suspense ,
                            If it isn't going to make it faster or safer it isn't worth doing

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                              #15
                              Why not check the ign fuses first. For an 83 you would have to retro fit a mechanical advance unit along with the dyna.. And maybe a spacer for the ign cover

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