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    Run on starter, key off, kill switch engaged.......

    First sunny day today in 7 months.
    First day to ride the EZ, second warm up of the month, 15 th of the year.
    2 second start every time. Never any issues.
    (I know, you can call me a fair weather rider, today. If you are so inclined, once you get off your high hobby horse, check out my post on visiting Prudhoe Bay on a GS. Ok, back to today's adventure........)
    Started the GS 1100EZ, good warm up, shut down to put on my riding togs.
    All is right and normal, bike is quiet and warm.
    Start up again normal, away we go. Ahhhhhhhh
    Made the 4 mile run to the petrol depot, key off..........
    Starter is turning over with key off like a crying puppy with engine stopped!?!?!?
    Key on, engine starts up, cannot hear starter?!?
    Kill switch off, key off, starter grinding away, engine shut down.
    Restart, kill engine, repeatedly pushed starter button, starter happily grinding away, no change, even rapped the right side switch handle at time or two.
    No gas for you!
    Left for my home garage, same thing at home, starter grinds away like a peanut vendor?!?!?
    My side covers are cleanly drilled and zip tied with fuses behind the buggers.
    Gyrations of extra key from wife, bike purring happily away, unlock seat, clip zip ties, all fuses pulled..........starter grinds away for 30-40 seconds.
    Then stops for 10 seconds, grinds another few seconds (bike does not start up of course, no key on, kill switch on off) and then the goofy starter stops.
    All is quiet, no electrical smells,
    Will approach with caution in the am.
    Thinking start button disassembly, grounded starter relay, exorcism....
    Before I do......
    Thoughts?
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    #2
    Your starter relay contacts have welded themselves together.

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      #3
      Look carefully at solenoid trigger wire ( the little guy that comes from starter button) check that it isn't rubbing against the big "hot" wire coming from battery positive.
      1981 gs650L

      "We are all born ignorant, but you have to work hard to stay stupid" Ben Franklin

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        #4
        Preliminary diagnostics

        Thank you gentlemen for your input.
        Much appreciated!
        I will update on what I find.

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          #5
          Just a thought, but would disconnecting the ignition wires and then shorting the solenoid with a screw driver narrow things down a bit ?
          Old age and treachery will beat youth and skill every time1983 GS 750
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            #6
            Take the selinoid off and go to Tractor Supply with it..They have many styles and theres probably one there for around 8 bucks. Many here have also said they get them in the garden tractor supply at Lowes and Home Depot.

            Smack it with wrench a few good taps to see if it disengages.
            MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
            1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

            NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


            I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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              #7
              Originally posted by chuck hahn View Post
              Take the selinoid off and go to Tractor Supply with it..They have many styles and theres probably one there for around 8 bucks. Many here have also said they get them in the garden tractor supply at Lowes and Home Depot.

              Smack it with wrench a few good taps to see if it disengages.
              + 1 on that
              Do everything he said. It is yor starter solenoid.
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                #8
                Been there. Tractor Supply stocks a solenoid thats a perfect match, even the mounting holes line up. heheh About $8.
                Komorebi-The light filtering through the trees.

                I would rather sit on a pumpkin and have it all to myself than be crowded on a velvet cushion. H.D.T.

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                  #9
                  Solved with precision GSR consultants. She is ALIVE!!!!

                  The solenoid was the culprit, having owned several Chevy 350's with overheated starter solenoids. Always fun to beat the stuffing out of a starter solenoid under a 83 Suburban while trying to board a ferry.
                  Gave a crack with a 19mm wrench on the GS solenoid the next morning and PRESTO!
                  I will replenish the NOS solenoid I used as replacement after that event yesterday from my supply bin, tractor supply at 8$ is blindingly cheap!
                  Thank you all again.

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                    #10
                    Tractor Supply

                    Tractor Supply?

                    You guys live in Manhattan, right?
                    1982 GS1100E V&H "SS" exhaust, APE pods, 1150 oil cooler, 140 speedo, 99.3 rear wheel HP, black engine, '83 red

                    2016 XL883L sigpic Two-tone blue and white. Almost 42 hp! Status: destroyed, now owned by the insurance company. The hole in my memory starts an hour before the accident and ends 24 hours after.

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                      #11
                      This is a start Rob

                      Originally posted by Rob S. View Post
                      Tractor Supply?

                      You guys live in Manhattan, right?
                      There is a Tractor Supply about 20 miles toward civilization (Seattle:Mariners, Seahawks, microbrews in Ballard) from my place. Civilization is about 3 hours away (floating bridges, ferries, traffic).
                      I would start here :http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/...searchSource=Q
                      And hopefully find a match.
                      My son lives in your fair city now, his GS750ES still here, at home.
                      He is still amazed that transportation related resources are so limited.
                      But if you want a cheap Rolex.........

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