1980 GS 750E starting/charging delema

[posplayr]

Very well true but I'm not concerned about his batteries lifespan at 3 years, depending on cost, he may have gotten his monies worth.

When the system breaks, I will test and repair it. Until then I will, as you say, "live in the ignorant bliss" that myself and millions of others live in when we don't take our not broken vehicles into the shop to be fixed before they break. Hey while we're being proactive in fixing things, when's the last time you had your tire changed? Might wanna change it before it goes flat on you.

Sarcasm aside, I'm thankful for your concern for my bikes well-being and I assure you it's in capable hands. As of last checkup, she's putting out good numbers and regulating throughout the band quite nicely.

I will refrain from a dissertation on corrective v.s. preventive maintenance. I don't want to cut into my drinking time. Being two fisted and typing do not mix.

[Grimly]

As of last checkup, she's putting out good numbers and regulating throughout the band quite nicely.

13.8V isn't as good as it should be.

[Killer2600]

I will refrain from a dissertation on corrective v.s. preventive maintenance. I don't want to cut into my drinking time. Being two fisted and typing do not mix.

What you call corrective maintenance, I call a repair. Nothing broken, nothing to repair. In the preventative maintenance department what are you going to do? Regrease connectors? Cleaning connectors would be a repair and not a PM by virtue of it fixing something that is wrong.

13.8V isn't as good as it should be.

Oh really, who says, and do tell

[Grimly]

Oh really, who says, and do tell

A proper running charge voltage should be up over 14V - getting on for 14.5V. Of course, if you don't run it at 5krpm to check it, you won't see that. Go on, give it a blast and if it gets over 14V, then well and good.
Might interest you to know that later calcium chemistry batteries look for 14.8V on the charging output. Less than that, they get short-lifed.

[posplayr]

What you call corrective maintenance, I call a repair. Nothing broken, nothing to repair. In the preventative maintenance department what are you going to do? Regrease connectors? Cleaning connectors would be a repair and not a PM by virtue of it fixing something that is wrong.

ROTW: Knock Knock
Killer: Who is there?
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Killer: What do you want?!?
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Killer: Err what???
ROTW: Just thought we would let you know; have a good day.

[Killer2600]

A proper running charge voltage should be up over 14V - getting on for 14.5V. Of course, if you don't run it at 5krpm to check it, you won't see that. Go on, give it a blast and if it gets over 14V, then well and good.
Might interest you to know that later calcium chemistry batteries look for 14.8V on the charging output. Less than that, they get short-lifed.

Well, it's a good thing I'm not using calcium chemistry batteries. Also if you really want to test a charging system you load test it and look at current output. FTR 13.6-13.8 was before doing any work so unless making things better somehow make the numbers worse - which goes against everyone's pitch to make things better - then I have even less to worry about after what I've done.

ROTW: Just thought we would let you know; have a good day.

Like I said before, you can come up with any combination of words formed into sentences into paragraphs that you like. It still doesn't change my charged battery into a dead one. Honestly, maybe you should skip the middle man and just talk to my motobatt, convince it it's not being charged by the bike.

Don't mistake, I'm not ignorant of the broken but, I don't need to repair things just because other people repair those things on their bike. If it isn't broken (showing/indicating signs of improper operation) then there is no reason to fix it - I'm confident in my diagnostic and repair abilities that I don't seek solace in seeking out and repairing potential problems to garner the illusion of reliability for a 32 year old machine. If the machine should fail, I will fix it, until then I will run it.

[posplayr]

. If the machine should fail, I will fix it, until then I will run it.

Killer: Knock Knock
TROW: Who is there?
Killer: Killer
TROW: What do you want?
Killer: I just love bittersweet chocolate covered red liquorice. Doesn't everybody cause I sure do.
TROW:I don't think so.
Killer: Are you sure because I sure love them.
TROW: No killer we all don't love your favorite candy.

[Killer2600]

Killer: Knock Knock
TROW: Who is there?
Killer: Killer
TROW: What do you want?
Killer: I just love bittersweet chocolate covered red liquorice. Doesn't everybody cause I sure do.
TROW:I don't think so.
Killer: Are you sure because I sure love them.
TROW: No killer we all don't love your favorite candy.

Said by someone who really wishes my bike would fail to properly charge just so they could say "I told you so"

[mrbill5491]

Wow, unreal just unreal.

[JTGS850GL]

Amazing that someone can't understand the basic concept of preventive maintenance. To just wait for something to fail doesn't make sense. If I lived in that world then changing my oil would only occur if the engine seized from no oil.

[posplayr]

Said by someone who really wishes my bike would fail to properly charge just so they could say "I told you so"

No Killer, I'm just yanking your chain, not your wires.


I've said as much as I intend while keeping it heuristic and virtually non-technical.

If the heuristics don't make sense and analytic description is certain to enter a null space.

[posplayr]

What you call corrective maintenance, I call a repair. Nothing broken, nothing to repair. In the preventative maintenance department what are you going to do? Regrease connectors? Cleaning connectors would be a repair and not a PM by virtue of it fixing something that is wrong.

So lets say we take your bike that is charging at 13.5 V at 5000 RPM and fix-it by cleaning all the connections so that it now changes at 14.3V at 5K RPM.
Did we preventively fix it or correctively fix it?

What if we add a ground and the voltage now goes to 14.5V. Did we prevent something or fix something? :confused

And what was the point of doing either? Apparently, you say there is none.

[Killer2600]

Amazing that someone can't understand the basic concept of preventive maintenance. To just wait for something to fail doesn't make sense. If I lived in that world then changing my oil would only occur if the engine seized from no oil.

Changing oil is preventative because nothing is broken at the time it's done. Doing the "stator papers" to determine if you need/should do anything is diagnostics as part of a repair. To do actual preventative maintenance on the electrical of that level would be skipping the stator papers and all it's tests and just replacing the stator, R/R, wire harness, and electrical bits just because they are old.

So lets say we take your bike that is charging at 13.5 V at 5000 RPM and fix-it by cleaning all the connections so that it now changes at 14.3V at 5K RPM.
Did we preventively fix it or correctively fix it?

What if we add a ground and the voltage now goes to 14.5V. Did we prevent something or fix something? :confused

And what was the point of doing either? Apparently, you say there is none.

See my explanation above, in short you've done diagnostics and have acted on the diagnosis, that is a repair or what you keep wrongly calling corrective maintenance. Maintenance is something you do regularly so are you going to keep replacing your R/R and Stator on a regular basis to keep up on the "corrective maintenance?" Most likely not, in which case your a mirror image of me - content with your work and waiting for symptoms to arise before diving into it again. I mean that is unless you have a yearly or so stator and R/R change interval - maybe once every 2-4 oil changes

[posplayr]

Changing oil is preventative because nothing is broken at the time it's done. Doing the "stator papers" to determine if you need/should do anything is diagnostics as part of a repair. To do actual preventative maintenance on the electrical of that level would be skipping the stator papers and all it's tests and just replacing the stator, R/R, wire harness, and electrical bits just because they are old.



See my explanation above, in short you've done diagnostics and have acted on the diagnosis, that is a repair or what you keep wrongly calling corrective maintenance. Maintenance is something you do regularly so are you going to keep replacing your R/R and Stator on a regular basis to keep up on the "corrective maintenance?" Most likely not, in which case your a mirror image of me - content with your work and waiting for symptoms to arise before diving into it again. I mean that is unless you have a yearly or so stator and R/R change interval - maybe once every 2-4 oil changes

Sorry, I'm using various standard DoD and US Army definitions which I have reconciled into a uniform analytic framework for CBM+ CBA (i.e. it was my job to make recommendations to the US Army on how this is done). However this would seem to have little bearing with you nor bear any resemblance to your definitions. It is easy to see how there might be some disagreement.

[Grimly]