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    So I got my shim job finished. Torqued the cylinder cover done, gave it fuel and tried to start. Wouldn't start at first. So I had to use starter fluid. Once I got it going it sounded alright, so grabbed my temp gun to measure the exhaust to see how hot it was getting. Cylinder 1 and 4 weren't firing. Which indicates the number 1 coil isn't working.

    I also took off the headlight and disconnected all the wiring but I've got it all wired back up and still isn't working. Last time I fired the bike was about a month ago and both coils were working great.

    Thinking maybe I didn't hook something up right?

    #2
    The coils connections are under the fuel tank, so it is unlikely you disconnected them in the headlight

    What bike? Do you have points?
    1978 GS 1000 (since new)
    1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
    1978 GS 1000 (parts)
    1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
    1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
    1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
    2007 DRz 400S
    1999 ATK 490ES
    1994 DR 350SES

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      #3
      Pull the tank and check the connector to the 1-4 coil. Might have snagged it loose when taking the valve cover off.
      http://img633.imageshack.us/img633/811/douMvs.jpg
      1980 GS1000GT (Daily rider with a 1983 1100G engine)
      1998 Honda ST1100 (Daily long distance rider)
      1982 GS850GLZ (Daily rider when the weather is crap)

      Darn, with so many daily riders it's hard to decide which one to jump on next.;)

      JTGS850GL aka Julius

      GS Resource Greetings

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        #4
        No fuel tank. Im still using the auxiliary tank.
        Idk if I have points
        Ive never seen anything about points

        Its an 82 gs1100g

        The bike was firings both coils just about a month ago. Right before I took the valve cover off to do the shim job.
        The only thing Ive done since then was take the forks off and rebuilt them. Also removed the headlight and disconnected all the wiring in the headlight.

        I reconnected everything and I have a few random wires but I dont think it has anything to do with the coils.

        I fire the bike up with starter fluid with only the #2 coil working.

        Now just to make sure. What is the firing order for the spark plugs on the cylinder.

        Ive also already checked the wiring on the coils and it looks fine.
        Last edited by Guest; 03-30-2015, 09:29 PM.

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          #5
          Measure the voltage at the coils. If you have 12V+ then the problem will be either an igniter, the signal generator or some interconnect wiring. Nothing else in common with cylinders 1 and 4. That's assuming that you've actually verified no spark on those two cylinders and it's not a fuel issue.
          http://img633.imageshack.us/img633/811/douMvs.jpg
          1980 GS1000GT (Daily rider with a 1983 1100G engine)
          1998 Honda ST1100 (Daily long distance rider)
          1982 GS850GLZ (Daily rider when the weather is crap)

          Darn, with so many daily riders it's hard to decide which one to jump on next.;)

          JTGS850GL aka Julius

          GS Resource Greetings

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            #6
            No points on that bike

            Check the coil ignitor wire color in your wiring diagram (orange?) and confirm that they are connected up by the backbone, behind the coils

            There is no firing order as such, one coil fires 1-4, the other 2-3
            1978 GS 1000 (since new)
            1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
            1978 GS 1000 (parts)
            1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
            1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
            1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
            2007 DRz 400S
            1999 ATK 490ES
            1994 DR 350SES

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              #7
              I want to make sure which plug wires go on what cylinder is what im trying to ask, sorry.
              Im gona go check the voltage now.
              Last edited by Guest; 04-01-2015, 06:02 PM.

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                #8
                Okay now im just lost at this point.

                I went and checked the voltage and both coils are good on that.

                I did the old " screw driver" in the plug test and all the plugs have spark. Fired the bike up again with starter fluid but still only running on one coil. Before I was having some
                backfiring insues but since I did the shim job it hasnt backfired once.

                Maybe I have 2 fouled plugs? But what are the odds that both cylinders on a single coil aren't firing and both have spark?

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                  #9
                  Sorry but you need to be a little more specific.

                  When you say that the voltage is good, what did you measure and where?

                  If you disconnect the plug wires from 1 and 4 one at a time and test them for spark using a loose plug against the cylinder head. Do you see spark on both?

                  What specifically makes you think that this is a spark problem? Did you simply assume that since 1 and 4 share a coil it must be spark?
                  http://img633.imageshack.us/img633/811/douMvs.jpg
                  1980 GS1000GT (Daily rider with a 1983 1100G engine)
                  1998 Honda ST1100 (Daily long distance rider)
                  1982 GS850GLZ (Daily rider when the weather is crap)

                  Darn, with so many daily riders it's hard to decide which one to jump on next.;)

                  JTGS850GL aka Julius

                  GS Resource Greetings

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                    #10
                    I see a spark yer. I tested the coils at the positive and negative on the coil itsself.

                    Cylinder 2 and 3 are both firing no issues.
                    I dont think its a spark problem now on 1 and 4 though cause they both are getting spark after testing them.

                    Now I think its a fuel issue cause I pulled the plugs and there isn't any fuel on them and I don't smell any fuel.
                    Which makes me angry cause I just rebuilt those carbs, there spotless but obviously not now since 1 and 4 aren't getting any fuel.

                    Unless its got something to do with my shim job.

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                      #11
                      Fuel issue is what I was going with as well. Did you re-sync the carbs AFTER the valve adjustment. The adjustment can effect vacuum. Can you do a compression test just to make sure you didn't mess up the valve adjustment.
                      http://img633.imageshack.us/img633/811/douMvs.jpg
                      1980 GS1000GT (Daily rider with a 1983 1100G engine)
                      1998 Honda ST1100 (Daily long distance rider)
                      1982 GS850GLZ (Daily rider when the weather is crap)

                      Darn, with so many daily riders it's hard to decide which one to jump on next.;)

                      JTGS850GL aka Julius

                      GS Resource Greetings

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                        #12
                        Ill have to go rent a compression tool but yea I can.
                        If its got good compression I guess ill have to redo the carbs.

                        Do you think thats prolly the only other reason though?

                        I mean the carbs were fine before the valve adjustment.
                        The coils both have spark, cylinder 1 and 4 are not firing and from what I can tell no fuel is entering the engine. Smelt the spark plugs and attempted to smell the engine cylinder and could smell no fuel.

                        Do you think its something clogged in the carb? or a vacuum issue?
                        Last edited by Guest; 04-01-2015, 07:24 PM.

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                          #13
                          Do you have the ability to sync the carbs. If not, then beg, borrow, purchase or steal a set. It's really critical to get everything working at lower throttle openings. If you hold the throttle open at around 4000+ rpms do the cylinders ever come back to life?

                          If not, then get ready to strip the carbs back down.
                          http://img633.imageshack.us/img633/811/douMvs.jpg
                          1980 GS1000GT (Daily rider with a 1983 1100G engine)
                          1998 Honda ST1100 (Daily long distance rider)
                          1982 GS850GLZ (Daily rider when the weather is crap)

                          Darn, with so many daily riders it's hard to decide which one to jump on next.;)

                          JTGS850GL aka Julius

                          GS Resource Greetings

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                            #14
                            Do I have to get a 4 carb sync or can I get a 2 carb sync?

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                              #15
                              Really need to be able to sync all 4 at the same time. It can be done with a two carb sync tool, but it's a much bigger PITA and the cost difference between the two is minimal. Not sure where you're located since you haven't updated your profile but if your in the USA then the dollar is pretty strong and the Morgan Carbtune's are pretty reasonable. Really one of the best synchronizers around. One other option is to see if there's a GSR member near by that has one. Again, you need to update your profile to indicate where you live.
                              http://img633.imageshack.us/img633/811/douMvs.jpg
                              1980 GS1000GT (Daily rider with a 1983 1100G engine)
                              1998 Honda ST1100 (Daily long distance rider)
                              1982 GS850GLZ (Daily rider when the weather is crap)

                              Darn, with so many daily riders it's hard to decide which one to jump on next.;)

                              JTGS850GL aka Julius

                              GS Resource Greetings

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