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    Starter solenoid or Starter?

    So ofcourse my bike won't start...

    Battery fully charged
    Ignition Switch On
    Clutch in
    Kill switch set to Run
    Hit the starter button and just one click and no engine turnover

    I tried to short the starter solenoid with a screw driver and there was no click (while holding clutch lever in).

    Thoughts?
    2010 Honda VFR1200F
    1983 Suzuki GS750T (sold)
    Being Revisited
    1981 Honda CM400T
    http://www.bikepics.com/members/cloudbreakmd/

    #2
    I should add that the connectors are corrosion free (the bike is garaged) and that the battery is an AGM and only a few months old. I replaced just the brushes in the starter years ago.

    The engine spins when put in fifth gear and I push the bike forward. I am suspecting the starter but I am wondering why there is no spark or click when I am attempting to short the solenoid.
    Last edited by cloudbreakmd; 04-26-2016, 10:06 AM.
    2010 Honda VFR1200F
    1983 Suzuki GS750T (sold)
    Being Revisited
    1981 Honda CM400T
    http://www.bikepics.com/members/cloudbreakmd/

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      #3
      Verify voltage at the solenoid when starting and then at the starter motor terminal. Should be close to battery voltage.
      http://img633.imageshack.us/img633/811/douMvs.jpg
      1980 GS1000GT (Daily rider with a 1983 1100G engine)
      1998 Honda ST1100 (Daily long distance rider)
      1982 GS850GLZ (Daily rider when the weather is crap)

      Darn, with so many daily riders it's hard to decide which one to jump on next.;)

      JTGS850GL aka Julius

      GS Resource Greetings

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        #4
        As mentioned, verify that you have enough voltage at the battery-side terminal on the solenoid. If you have 12+ volts there, make sure the bike is in neutral (or the rear wheel off the ground) and short across the two large terminals. You will NOT hear a click when you do that, only the sparks and, hopefully, the starter. The click is the mechanism inside moving when you push the button. No button push? No click. Simple. Oh, note that you don't have to have the key on to do this. Since the battery terminal is live all the time, shorting to the starter terminal can happen any time.

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          #5
          Just make sure the bike is in neutral when you do jump the solenoid.
          http://img633.imageshack.us/img633/811/douMvs.jpg
          1980 GS1000GT (Daily rider with a 1983 1100G engine)
          1998 Honda ST1100 (Daily long distance rider)
          1982 GS850GLZ (Daily rider when the weather is crap)

          Darn, with so many daily riders it's hard to decide which one to jump on next.;)

          JTGS850GL aka Julius

          GS Resource Greetings

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            #6
            Originally posted by JTGS850GL View Post
            Verify voltage at the solenoid when starting and then at the starter motor terminal. Should be close to battery voltage.
            Will do and follow up.
            2010 Honda VFR1200F
            1983 Suzuki GS750T (sold)
            Being Revisited
            1981 Honda CM400T
            http://www.bikepics.com/members/cloudbreakmd/

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              #7
              Originally posted by Dragon Breath View Post
              As mentioned, verify that you have enough voltage at the battery-side terminal on the solenoid. If you have 12+ volts there, make sure the bike is in neutral (or the rear wheel off the ground) and short across the two large terminals. You will NOT hear a click when you do that, only the sparks and, hopefully, the starter. The click is the mechanism inside moving when you push the button. No button push? No click. Simple. Oh, note that you don't have to have the key on to do this. Since the battery terminal is live all the time, shorting to the starter terminal can happen any time.
              Bike was in neutral.
              Will check for 12 volts at solenoid.
              I meant sparks and not the click and there was no starter noise.
              2010 Honda VFR1200F
              1983 Suzuki GS750T (sold)
              Being Revisited
              1981 Honda CM400T
              http://www.bikepics.com/members/cloudbreakmd/

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                #8
                Close to 12 volts out of solenoid. Thoughts? 11.62 volts when button is depressed.
                2010 Honda VFR1200F
                1983 Suzuki GS750T (sold)
                Being Revisited
                1981 Honda CM400T
                http://www.bikepics.com/members/cloudbreakmd/

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                  #9
                  11.6 volts at the starter. I think it must be the starter at this point...

                  12.2 volts at battery but I've been hitting the starter button and the headlight has been on while trouble shooting.
                  Last edited by cloudbreakmd; 05-01-2016, 12:29 PM.
                  2010 Honda VFR1200F
                  1983 Suzuki GS750T (sold)
                  Being Revisited
                  1981 Honda CM400T
                  http://www.bikepics.com/members/cloudbreakmd/

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                    #10
                    If you have 11.6 volts at the actual starter input and the main ground is good then it's the starter. You can verify the ground connection by measuring voltage between engine case and -V terminal of the battery. Should have close to zero volts when the starter is engaged.
                    http://img633.imageshack.us/img633/811/douMvs.jpg
                    1980 GS1000GT (Daily rider with a 1983 1100G engine)
                    1998 Honda ST1100 (Daily long distance rider)
                    1982 GS850GLZ (Daily rider when the weather is crap)

                    Darn, with so many daily riders it's hard to decide which one to jump on next.;)

                    JTGS850GL aka Julius

                    GS Resource Greetings

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                      #11
                      Ground is good as well.

                      OK... I guess I will pull it out and inspect the armature. I would rather pay $16 for a rebuild kit than $35 or more for a used starter.
                      2010 Honda VFR1200F
                      1983 Suzuki GS750T (sold)
                      Being Revisited
                      1981 Honda CM400T
                      http://www.bikepics.com/members/cloudbreakmd/

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