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    2 regulators installed? Why me

    So after letting dealerships mess with this bike on and off for a decade, I am forced to DIY. Stand ready for loud booms.

    About 8+ years ago I had a charging problem and a local dealer installed a Ricks R/R, and a Stator. Some intermittent fuse blowing and other probs, but things have generally performed ok. Keep in mind, my 79 GS 1000e is a sunday driver. Only about 600 miles a year, and it lives on a battery tender all of the time.

    Last summer, for some reason I decided to put a voltmeter on it. Only about 12.5 MAX, and idle with lights on it was under 12. I thought that I would start with the easy stuff so I tried an updated maintenance free battery. No progress. I have read the stator papers and other sources, so I know it should be closer to 14v.

    So, off to a new trusted dealer it went. They said they found some corroded connections at the stator wires.- and used solder instead of bullets. Ok, so when I got home, on goes the multimeter. Still way under spec- never gets close to 13v.

    After some careful alcohol intake, I decided to dive in. Out comes the air box and battery. Plan A was to check for corroded wires and a bad ground. First observation- the ground wire on my bike, I think, is really hard to get at. Hidden under the carbs on engine, near the pressure switch, yes? There were no obviously corroded connections or other maladies present.

    So, I took a look at the wiring diagram and hardware on the bike....drumroll. I see BOTH the stock R/R and the Rick's one are still there- both with some wires connected to them. WTH??? why would someone use both?

    The Ricks one is an older model, and they seem to have replaced it with a more current model on the web page. Now I am left with challenge of trying to figure out the spaghetti of how they are both connected into various wires. This is going to be a project.

    PS- it has an aftermarket ignition system, so that might be part of this mystery.
    1979 GS 1000e
    1967 Triumph Bonneville
    1986 Honda VFR 750
    2014 Indian Vintage
    2015 KLR 650
    2019 Yamaha Tracer GT
    2021 Yamaha Tenere 700
    2023 Triumph Tiger 1200
    And so on...

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    I see BOTH the stock R/R and the Rick's one are still there- both with some wires connected to them...


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    R/Rs installed? I want to see pictures of that! I need to confirm someone attached the 3 stator wires or whatall to two devices. It seems awfully unlikely and I can't help thinking you are mistaken.
    Last edited by Gorminrider; 02-09-2020, 11:34 AM.

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      #3
      The biggest mystery to me is ... WHAT BIKE???

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        #4
        Originally posted by Steve View Post
        The biggest mystery to me is ... WHAT BIKE???

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        He states the model in the post 79 GS1000E
        1978 GS1085.

        Just remember, an opinion without 3.14 is just an onion!

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          #5
          79 GS1000E Sunday Rider... ��

          Maybe one is the regulator and the other the rectifier. I'd like to see how they mounted and wired it...
          Last edited by storm 64; 02-09-2020, 01:22 PM.
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            #6
            Originally posted by Steve View Post
            The biggest mystery to me is ... WHAT BIKE???

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            I'll guess it's the 79 gs1000e.....I imagine it came with the seperate rectifier and regulator ...hopefully 8 years ago they corrected this. That stator that they put in...how many poles on it?
            Attached pic shows a stator with 18 poles..what's yours got?
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            1981 gs650L

            "We are all born ignorant, but you have to work hard to stay stupid" Ben Franklin

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              #7
              yes, it is a 79 gs1000e

              Here is link to how it is wired inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGOE7RyZBTQ
              1979 GS 1000e
              1967 Triumph Bonneville
              1986 Honda VFR 750
              2014 Indian Vintage
              2015 KLR 650
              2019 Yamaha Tracer GT
              2021 Yamaha Tenere 700
              2023 Triumph Tiger 1200
              And so on...

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                #8
                And here is a photo that might make your eyes bug out like mine
                IMG_2880.jpg
                1979 GS 1000e
                1967 Triumph Bonneville
                1986 Honda VFR 750
                2014 Indian Vintage
                2015 KLR 650
                2019 Yamaha Tracer GT
                2021 Yamaha Tenere 700
                2023 Triumph Tiger 1200
                And so on...

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                  #9
                  And another vid:



                  second vid of two installed on my bike for some reason
                  1979 GS 1000e
                  1967 Triumph Bonneville
                  1986 Honda VFR 750
                  2014 Indian Vintage
                  2015 KLR 650
                  2019 Yamaha Tracer GT
                  2021 Yamaha Tenere 700
                  2023 Triumph Tiger 1200
                  And so on...

                  sigpic

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                    #10
                    I have not yet pulled the stator cover off. As noted, I was hoping my problem was just an easy to find corroded connection or ground- but this set looks so loopy that I just decided to order a current reg/rect from Rick's and a new stator. since I am likley to end up pulling things apart, I am waiting for them to arrive and stopped work for a few days.

                    Maybe Ive got this all wrong, but as you can see from the vids the two R/Rs seem to wire into the stator and also into the harness. I have read that the stock one was designed to wire up to the ignition or the headlight? At least thats what my factory service manual and wiring diagram seem to show.

                    Good grief
                    1979 GS 1000e
                    1967 Triumph Bonneville
                    1986 Honda VFR 750
                    2014 Indian Vintage
                    2015 KLR 650
                    2019 Yamaha Tracer GT
                    2021 Yamaha Tenere 700
                    2023 Triumph Tiger 1200
                    And so on...

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                      #11
                      Forget how it's wired now, just rewire it correctly. There are dozens of threads on this in the archives. Look up some of Pos's threads and if they are too complicated use the one posted below. Oh, and you need to rev the engine up to 5000 rpm in order to check charging voltage. Don't check at idle.

                      SH775 Install by nessism, on Flickr
                      Ed

                      To measure is to know.

                      Mikuni O-ring Kits For Sale...https://www.thegsresources.com/_foru...ts#post1703182

                      Top Newbie Mistakes thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=171846

                      Carb rebuild tutorial...https://gsarchive.bwringer.com/mtsac...d_Tutorial.pdf

                      KZ750E Rebuild Thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...0-Resurrection

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                        #12
                        Stop fighting! Most of us have had charging issues. Hold off on buying stuff . Get that stator cover off and check that you have a matched stator/rotor....start with the basics and avoid a quickee approach
                        1981 gs650L

                        "We are all born ignorant, but you have to work hard to stay stupid" Ben Franklin

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                          #13
                          Who's fighting?

                          If I am going to pull apart the wiring, and start from scratch, I would rather only do this once.
                          The cost of the new components dont scare me, and the RR that was installed doesnt match the new spec number from Rick's so I think it is the wrong one anyway.

                          I just drained the oil since I do a filter and fluids on the bike every winter, so I will pull the stator cover off when the new arrives. Whats so controversial about that?

                          I am pretty confident of how to install the new RR if I was just replacing a stock set up. The challenge here is that the other folks that worked on the bike have cut into the harness, (see vids) and now I am reflecting on how to handle that.

                          Totally get it that new stator can just plug and play with a new RR, but I am thinking that i need to do something to reconnect the wires in the harness correctly.
                          1979 GS 1000e
                          1967 Triumph Bonneville
                          1986 Honda VFR 750
                          2014 Indian Vintage
                          2015 KLR 650
                          2019 Yamaha Tracer GT
                          2021 Yamaha Tenere 700
                          2023 Triumph Tiger 1200
                          And so on...

                          sigpic

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by open1mind View Post
                            Who's fighting?

                            If I am going to pull apart the wiring, and start from scratch, I would rather only do this once.
                            The cost of the new components dont scare me, and the RR that was installed doesnt match the new spec number from Rick's so I think it is the wrong one anyway.

                            I just drained the oil since I do a filter and fluids on the bike every winter, so I will pull the stator cover off when the new arrives. Whats so controversial about that?

                            I am pretty confident of how to install the new RR if I was just replacing a stock set up. The challenge here is that the other folks that worked on the bike have cut into the harness, (see vids) and now I am reflecting on how to handle that.

                            Totally get it that new stator can just plug and play with a new RR, but I am thinking that i need to do something to reconnect the wires in the harness correctly.
                            You probably do not realize you bought a shunt R/R from Ricks. That is a very bad thing to do. Most people are buying SH-775's these days.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by open1mind View Post
                              Who's fighting?

                              If I am going to pull apart the wiring, and start from scratch, I would rather only do this once.
                              The cost of the new components dont scare me, and the RR that was installed doesnt match the new spec number from Rick's so I think it is the wrong one anyway.

                              I just drained the oil since I do a filter and fluids on the bike every winter, so I will pull the stator cover off when the new arrives. Whats so controversial about that?

                              I am pretty confident of how to install the new RR if I was just replacing a stock set up. The challenge here is that the other folks that worked on the bike have cut into the harness, (see vids) and now I am reflecting on how to handle that.

                              Totally get it that new stator can just plug and play with a new RR, but I am thinking that i need to do something to reconnect the wires in the harness correctly.
                              If you want a reliable charging system do NOT plug in the stator and/or R/R to the factory harness other than maybe the + out. Read what's been written here; run the stator wires direct into the R/R. The factory harness has needlessly complicated routing scheme that can cause problems. And as pos states, get a SH775, not a shunt R/R.
                              Ed

                              To measure is to know.

                              Mikuni O-ring Kits For Sale...https://www.thegsresources.com/_foru...ts#post1703182

                              Top Newbie Mistakes thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=171846

                              Carb rebuild tutorial...https://gsarchive.bwringer.com/mtsac...d_Tutorial.pdf

                              KZ750E Rebuild Thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...0-Resurrection

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