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    1978 GS1000 + blown main fuse + cylinder three misfiring =

    Much as I love the music of a Japanese four with a megaphone exhaust, I haven't been riding the GS much the past few years. The weekend boulevard cruise, the occasional freeway bullrush, then home and to the yard, which is more like an orchard/farm, and very high maintenance. This Sunday I gave the GS a going over, which took a couple of days and included, sad to say, clearing some cobwebs with a toothbrush and cleaning rag. Changed the oil and filter, washed and re-oiled the pod filters, tightened bolts and fasteners, lubed the cables and chain, aired the tires and set off on what would become about a 40-mile out-and-back ride along the Sacramento River near where I live and into the California Delta. Great two-lane roads, long lazy curves with good pavement, much of it atop narrow levees with steep drops into sloughs on either side. Good riding. About five miles from home the bike starts coughing through the air filters, then sputtering, then dying at 65 mph, which was a good thing, since it gave me momentum to find a wide place to pull over on Interstate 5, which I'd taken for a high-speed leg home. After marveling at the amount and variety of debris on the shoulder, I set my helmet a few feet back from the rear tire, popped the seat, took a screwdriver from the rear cowl, took off the side cover and looked at the fuses. The 15-amp main fuse was dark gray in its glass tube. After replacing the main with a spare, the bike started instantly and accelerated hard to highway speed. When I exited a mile from home the air filters coughed again on overrun, and the bike sputtered into our driveway. The teenage girls across the street were not impressed.

    In the morning I rolled the bike out of the garage. The main fuse was intact. The engine started promptly, as it has always done, but soon began coughing and sputtering. I shut it off and touched the headers. All hot, except number three. I rolled the bike back into the garage and felt the electrical connectors in my brain heating up. The known knowns are a good battery and generally sound electrical health: the headlight works, low and high, as do the turn signals, the horn, the brake light, oil pressure light, neutral light, speedo and tach lights. I think it's got an Electrosport R/R that's at least eight years old, and an Electrosport stator, installed at the same time. Dyna coils and ignition. Valves were inspected and within spec 300 miles ago.

    As a prelude to the methodical tracing of wires and connectors, riddle me this: is there an obvious connection between the blown main and misfiring third cylinder, or are there many possibilities, with patience and study required. Been looking for a non-agricultural project, and suspect I have found one . . .
    1978 GS1000 http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...6/P1010050.jpg

    #2
    Hello mate, good to see you back here! Sometimes those glass fuses just get old and thin! If the charging voltage is decent when it’s running I would just check connectors and the back of the fuse box to make sure the connectors are all good back there. Sometimes they benefit from re-soldering (just re-melt the solder that’s there).

    I would expect it not to be related. the cold cylinder would most likely be some gunk that moved and blocked the pilot jet.. does the cylinder run at higher revs and/or with the choke on? First thing I would try would be a high dose of sea foam and ride it again... Cheers, Dan
    1980 GS1000G - Sold
    1978 GS1000E - Finished!
    1980 GS550E - Fixed & given to a friend
    1983 GS750ES Special - Sold
    2009 KLR 650 - Sold - gone to TX!
    1982 GS1100G - Rebuilt and finished. - Sold
    2009 TE610 - Dual Sporting around dreaming of Dakar..... - FOR SALE!

    www.parasiticsanalytics.com

    TWINPOT BRAKE UPGRADE LINKY: http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...e-on-78-Skunk/

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      #3
      Nice to see you back, John.
      I agree with Salty and would look at the carbs first.
      Don't think the age of the Electrosport hardware would come into play as i don't think it has seen much use?
      2@ \'78 GS1000

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        #4
        Good to be back, thanks. Appreciate the advice as always. Will post follow-up after looking at the pilot.
        1978 GS1000 http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...6/P1010050.jpg

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          #5
          As I was looking at the carburetors in preparation for removal, my eye went to the three float bowl vent tubes, all of which were uncapped/unhosed. Something stirred in my memory. I found a rubber cap and put it over the vent to the left of #3 carburetor. Bike fired right up on all four cylinders.

          At some point years back I removed the three tube hoses as part of the conversion to pod filters and a V&H exhaust, and later getting a tip from someone here to cap the #3 vent. Would someone remind me why it needs to be capped, but not the other two?

          As to the blown main fuse, closer inspection showed that the clips holding the main fuse had sagged somehow and were able to touch one side of the fuse holder immediately below. If this caused the main to blow, why didn't it take out the fuse directly below?
          1978 GS1000 http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...6/P1010050.jpg

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            #6
            John that's exactly what mine did! I suppose the main fuse blew first because the one below either wasn't drawing anything or didn't have a path to short through. Take the fuse block off, you may find the plastic is work or melted. I re-soldered (melted) the joints & then potted (filled the back cavity up) with clear epoxy and it's been fine ever since (probably a dozen years and 20,000 miles since then..).

            I posted some pictures here somewhere.

            That vent you're talking about is not the vacuum tube for the petcock is it? If you have a manual petcock then yes that one has to be plugged. On mine (with pods) I don't have vent tubes, just the fuel pipe & the vacuum pipe going to the petcock, nothing else.
            1980 GS1000G - Sold
            1978 GS1000E - Finished!
            1980 GS550E - Fixed & given to a friend
            1983 GS750ES Special - Sold
            2009 KLR 650 - Sold - gone to TX!
            1982 GS1100G - Rebuilt and finished. - Sold
            2009 TE610 - Dual Sporting around dreaming of Dakar..... - FOR SALE!

            www.parasiticsanalytics.com

            TWINPOT BRAKE UPGRADE LINKY: http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...e-on-78-Skunk/

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              #7
              Now that you remind me, it is the vacuum tube for the original petcock, since replaced by a Pingel. All this points to the importance of keeping a maintenance journal, as opposed to relying on my memory, which seems to have more problems than a Japanese bike from the 70s!
              1978 GS1000 http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...6/P1010050.jpg

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                #8
                That cylinder would have been running lean.

                If it were mine I'd probably still run some seafoam through it
                1980 GS1000G - Sold
                1978 GS1000E - Finished!
                1980 GS550E - Fixed & given to a friend
                1983 GS750ES Special - Sold
                2009 KLR 650 - Sold - gone to TX!
                1982 GS1100G - Rebuilt and finished. - Sold
                2009 TE610 - Dual Sporting around dreaming of Dakar..... - FOR SALE!

                www.parasiticsanalytics.com

                TWINPOT BRAKE UPGRADE LINKY: http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...e-on-78-Skunk/

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                  #9
                  Glug glug glug. One can of Seafoam down the hatch. Then back on the iron horse for another ride around the delta. Shifting is buttery smooth with a crankcase full of Rotella T6. Not sure why I have Forum Mentor next to my name. If anything I am a wayward pupil. Thanks to everyone here for the continuing education.

                  Enjoyed a visit yesterday to a local motorcycle Smithsonian. https://www.thevintagemonkey.com/ Check it out. A few feet from the shop manager sat a GS1000 in the middle of a Yoshimura racing replication circa 1980 . . . the manager told me that the GS1000 has become a much-sought commodity among younger riders with vintage leanings. Hang on to your hogs everybody, it could fund your retirement!
                  1978 GS1000 http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...6/P1010050.jpg

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                    #10
                    I remember the same sort of thing happening with the vent hoses.
                    Trying to tune the carbs while being feed from an auxiliary tank. Ran crummy, put a golf tee in the vent hose and no more crummy.
                    2@ \'78 GS1000

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                      #11
                      CSI Sacramento has determined that it happened like this: main fuse clip touches fuse clip immediately below, killing all power, causing the engine to chuff, causing the carburetors to cough the old cap from vent tube #3 . . . golf tee seems the elegant solution, or maybe a miniature laboratory-grade stopper . . .
                      1978 GS1000 http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...6/P1010050.jpg

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                        #12
                        Did the fuse box melt at all?
                        Remove it and check the back as Dan suggested. Clean all of the connections
                        Then, pull your head light and remove your ignition switch
                        Take it apart and clean it. If it looks pitted, sand the contact s with very fine sandpaper to provide a clean smooth surface.
                        1978 GS 1000 (since new)
                        1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
                        1978 GS 1000 (parts)
                        1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
                        1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
                        1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
                        2007 DRz 400S
                        1999 ATK 490ES
                        1994 DR 350SES

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                          #13
                          Mine started randomly blowing the main fuse. I cleaned up my fuse box and had a connection resoldered; the fuse kept blowing
                          I finally broke out the VOM and found my main fuse had 12.6V, But the other circuits had 9.8V. So, I pulled the ignition switch and found this
                          IMG_20200505_160822757 by on, on Flickr

                          I sanded these with 1500 and 3000 til they looked like this
                          IMG_20200505_163020629 by T, on Flickr

                          I cleaned and buffed the other copper contacts, reassembled and found 12+V all around
                          1978 GS 1000 (since new)
                          1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
                          1978 GS 1000 (parts)
                          1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
                          1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
                          1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
                          2007 DRz 400S
                          1999 ATK 490ES
                          1994 DR 350SES

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                            #14
                            My 1000e blew a fuse once. I was in Kentucky somewhere and stopped for gas. Inside the convenient store they had icecream. It was a hot day and the icecream looked so good so I got myself a icecream cone. I go out to sit with my motorcycle to enjoy my icecream treat. After getting gas and cleaning up my hands and face, I jumped on the bike to continue my journey. Well, as I'm pulling out of the parking lot the bike died! No lights, no nothing, I figured it was a blown fuse. I popped another fuse in there and didn't have anymore problems... So, I figured the motorcycle was upset because it didn't get any icecream! For now on, I don't enjoy icecream in front of my motorcycles, well unless I get my motorcycle some icecream too. 🌞
                            My Motorcycles:
                            22 Kawasaki Z900 RS (Candy Tone Blue)
                            22 BMW K1600GT (Probably been to a town near you)
                            82 1100e Drag Bike (needs race engine)
                            81 1100e Street Bike (with race engine)
                            79 1000e (all original)
                            82 850g (all original)
                            80 KZ 650F (needs restored)

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                              #15
                              Charring on the front . . .
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                              1978 GS1000 http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...6/P1010050.jpg

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