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    Restoring Exhaust Backpressure

    Greetings to the Collective Wisdom. I know this topic has been talked around and about quite a bit, but I don't think I have found the answers to help me yet. So here goes.

    This winter, I removed the original, old, rusted out megaphone mufflers from my 1980 GS550L. Along with them, of course, came the exhaust and crossover pipes. The pipes were in very good shape, so I took the setup down to a welder and had him cut off the old mufflers, then weld on an eight-inch extender/stub that is sized to receive new slip on mufflers. I retained all the other original mountings, header fittings (new gaskets, of course) the crossover, etc. His work was marvelous, even down to aligning the new stub so the axis of the piping and slip on mufflers matches the original alignment. Worked like a charm with the new, shiny, turnout mufflers I have put on the bike. Sounds way way better too than the sputtery, whiny, sound of the megaphones.

    I knew in the process about the potential that backpressure would be reduced, as the new mufflers have fairly basic baffles, and none of the fiberglass wrapped stuff. Sure enough, after about a 10 mile test ride, the sparkplugs started to just show a bit of gray-white coloring, so I'm guessing I am indeed running a little lean, presumably as a result of the decreased backpressure on the exhaust system. So I think I have several choices and want the opinions of others.

    1) I could rejet the carbs, but I would really rather avoid the cost and changes to the motorcycle. I see this as my least preferred choice and would like to reserve it in case all other options fail.

    2) I could buy a different pair of mufflers, more like the original megaphones. I see this as preferrable to rejetting, but I sure like the sound of the new turnouts. Maybe a little louder still than I would like, but definitely quieter than the old burnt out megaphones, and they give a much nicer rumble, more "motorcycle like" if you know what I mean. Now, I have never heard the original megaphones in their like-new condition, so if someone told me they would be deep and rumbly, I could definitely go after this option.

    3) I could get a packing kit with fiberglass and baffle insert that would fit inside the current set of turnout mufflers. With experimentation, it seems I should be able to use these to reduce backpressure to a close approximation of the original system. The secondary benefit is it should keep the rumble but reduced by a few decibels, which I would actually like. Problem is, I don't know if this will work (is the theory totally wrong), be a waste of time ('cause it will blow out or need replacing every 3 months or something), or will it drive the backpressure too far the other way and leave me running way too rich.

    4) Other options? I have seen mention of baffle disks, or some such similar thing, and cones and outlet size reducers that fit over the end of the muffler, but I have no clue what these are or whether they could work. So any ideas I haven't come up with?

    Look forward to hearing other thoughts and suggestions on how best to proceed. TIA for any help. Best regards...

    ...Ross

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    most of the turn outs that I have seen and used you can not get the baffles out, because of the turn out ends, I would go the next size up on your mains and raise the needles one notch, I did this on my Xs11 and the plugs came back into range, then check the plug color on all three speed ranges a high speed throttle chop a mid throttle ride then a low throttle ride 1/8 and less around town, you may have to fool with your low speed mix as well just know where your number of turns are on the base settings,

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      #3
      I agree. Simplest solution is to up the mains. Go up in 2.5 increments until you get it right.

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        #4
        i agree, go up a main and raise the needles you opened a bag of worms, now you need to close it, it's not that big a deal you may need to turn your mixture screws in a half turn or so as well.

        this gives some tips on tuning


        -ryan
        78 GS1000 Yosh replica racer project
        82 Kat 1000 Project
        05 CRF450x
        10 990 ADV-R The big dirt bike

        P.S I don't check PM to often, email me if you need me.

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          #5
          1) I could rejet the carbs
          This would be my first choice, but I don't mind fiddling with carbs. I can understand your reluctance to go that way. The reason this is a good choice is because it will let you keep the current mufflers, which you like, and you get to correct the factory jetting which was too lean in the first place. You get a better running bike, more power and keep the sound.

          2) I could buy a different pair of mufflers, more like the original megaphones
          This seems silly, given that you already went to the trouble to get new mufflers and you like the ones that you got. I would put this choice last.

          3) I could get a packing kit with fiberglass and baffle insert that would fit inside the current set of turnout mufflers. With experimentation, it seems I should be able to use these to reduce backpressure to a close approximation of the original system.
          This is a reasonable thing to do,as well. I find it funny that you are willing to spend the time and money to tinker with the exhaust to raise the back pressure to the previous levels but jetting is looked on as onerous. Each his own, I guess... Yes, the sound will go down, but it likely won't sound the same, only quieter. When you pack the canister, it changes the frequency response and the sounds coiming out will not be the same as before. Yes, packing will blow out. It should not happen in 3 months, but you can figure on repacking every couple of years. If the old mufflers were OEM, I can't imagine you would end up with more restriction and rich jetting by repacking these mufflers.

          4) Other options? I have seen mention of baffle disks, or some such similar thing, and cones and outlet size reducers that fit over the end of the muffler, but I have no clue what these are or whether they could work.
          A restrictor can be as simple as a flat disc with a hole in the middle placed over the end of the muffler outlet. Think about a big washer placed over the outlet. This is not a bad way to go, as it is easily tunable (you simply make a stack of discs with different outlet sizes and run them one after another. This will also have a significant effect on the sound, with even a small restriction providing noticeable sound reduction effects. I would start with a restrictor that is about 1/4" smaller ID than the muffler outlet is now and test in 1/8" increments until you found a happy medium.


          Mark

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            #6
            Yowza!! Thanks for all the advice.

            It looks like 3.5 votes for rejetting (or upping the mains; is there a difference?), and a solid 0.5 vote for either putting in the wrapped baffle or maybe even better, reducer disks. As far as tinkering with the mufflers versus the carbs, that is mostly because messing with the carbs strikes me as one of those ways I could get into serious sheep-dip. I sort of follow the Hippocratic oath when working on my bike; first do no harm. I am pretty sure I could do a lot more harm to the carbs than I could do to a muffler, so it's the "least harm" mentality at work.

            Now, that said, I am also educable (or re-trainable, as SWMBO might say)- I think I could learn to do no harm to my carbs (or at least fool myself into thinking I'm not). So, any suggestions or advice on places I could get a primer in what rejetting (or upping the mains) involves? No need for a long treatise, unless you enjoy such things; if you can just point to a website or list a book you really think would be helpful to a newbie, that would be terrific.

            Again, thanks very much for the advice. As always, this has been very useful. Best regards...

            ...Ross

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