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    78 GS550 Chronic Stalling...

    Hello everyone this is my first post, and it's a shame that it has to be about a problem rather than the joy of riding a GS Please bear with my long explanation :P

    Anyways, I bought this 78 GS550 last week in really excellent cosmetic shape, but less than excellent mechanical shape... In retrospect I probably should have had it checked out by a mechanic, but I needed a bike quick and this one looked absolutely perfect to me.

    In any event, it started and ran fine, both electric and kick in the guy's driveway who I bought it from but as soon as I got it home (200 miles in the back of a pickup truck) it wouldn't start. I figured out that the vacuum petcock wasn't working and it was dumping tons of fuel into the cylinders through the carbs somehow... I guess a float bowl was stuck open or something. I got it running by changing the plugs that got wet with gas and it ran ok for a while, started stalling after about an hour of solid riding at moderate speeds (topping arround 50, but mostly arround 30). I talked to the previous owner and he said he thought it was overheating because I was letting it idle too long. (I left it running for a couple minutes when I called my girlfriend.) Maybe he was right, because it tried to die everytime I would coast up to a stop sign, but it started right up again when it died. The next day however it needed new plugs again (petcock) and ran similarly. On the third day I was so fedup I called every bike shop in town until someone told me to check the petcock, and sure enough as soon as I pulled the gas hose with the engine off gas started spirting out.

    So fast forward a couple days, I scored a petcock on eBay, and it's not leaking anymore, but the problems I am having are almost more serious in a different way. Before continuing I would also like to add the side note that I know the carbs are bad and need replacement, a rebuilt won't cut it because some of the fasteners that screw into the carb body are broken off. It's running super rich and that might cause some of my problems but not to the extent they have developed to.

    I changed the oil before installing the new petcock, because gas must have seeped in past the piston rings. So it starts now, but it stalls very quickly, far worse than before with the bad fuel valve. I was trying to ride it off campus and made it down to the base before it died. I was cruising down hill at about 50 MPH and as soon as I started easing off the throttle I got that ugly feeling that the engine was quitting, and sure enough it was long gone before I came to a stop. I managed to get it running stably(somehow, feathering the choke and throttle...) and drove it back up to my room. It has done the same thing repeatedly in various situations since then. It will die in about 2-5 minutes or less no matter where I am running it...

    So here are my questions, beyond which I am open to any suggestions as well. I know I need to do the carbs, but maybe it would make sense to have someone in town look at it. I am condifent in doing my own work as long as I have a purpose and know that I am attacking the cause of the problem.

    1. Is the filter in the petcock necessary? The reason I ask is that the replacement petcock I bought on eBay didn't come with one, and I had to remove some excess plastic from my old filter to press it in, and it still wasn't a very good fit. It's strange because it was listed as being a 78 petcock. In any event I think this stalling could be caused by lack of fuel what do you think?
    2. Could trying to start the engine with too much oil (1/2 quart maybe..) in it cause problems like this after the excess oil is removed?

    TIA, to those of you who took the time to read this long, boring explanation. I am open to and all suggestions.

    -Simon

    #2
    well, sounds like you can skip the mechanic, unless you get really lucky at the shop theres alot more knowledge here than there. I work in a dealership and if I have a problem Im more likely to ask someone here. our mechanics dont like the old bikes at all. even the old guys that worked on em new. its sad really.

    if bits are broken off the carbs, thats your first step for certain. find a salvage yard nearby, or ebay a good set, or something. then rebuild those. use your old ones for peices parts. can you snap a pic of whats broken, or can you explain in better detail whats wrong externally?

    sounds like if it runs fine before it dies, either still a restricted petcock, fault needle valves, or faulty/improperly adjusted floats.like it runs outt gas in the bowls, and has refilled enough to restart by the time you do. Im afraid someone previously butchered the carbs and am somewhat afraid of what you find inside.

    that petcock needs replaced again. that filter is mucho important. if ya hadnt had to mess with the original petcock, you coulda probably got a rebuild kit for it for cheap. at least put an inline filter on it if you try to get it running with new carbs. on a side note, whats the inside of the tank look like?

    dont let the bike idle for extended periods of time. without air flowing over the fins itll rapidly get too hot. I use the squirrel cage fan off a furnace to blow air over the engine when running it in the garage.

    the stalling is likely a carb issue, and nothing else. as long as a seal didnt blow out , a little overfill wont hurt anything usually, as long as its right now, I wouldn't sweat that.

    until the carbs are straight there isnt any way to check for other running problems. do yourself a favor and look over the wiring while you have it apart and clean or repair any bad connectors.

    Oh, and welcome to the GSR, you've found the right place for any GS questions you may ever have, and a damn good bunch of peeps to boot

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      #3
      haha i read the other forum before i read this one... an inline fuel filter never though of that... i was hoping for a quick fix but i guess my hopes are too high... trouble is theres a bus strike going on here right now and the only way for me to get to my car is with my motorcycle, so i think you can understand my impatience.

      i was going to bid on a rebuilt set of carbs on ebay for $75!!! but my sniping program failed and the other guy got them. that was a bad day...

      the think that makes me so sure that my current problem is related to the petcock is that it took a lot longer to stall before i changed it and it had to overheat first... also it starts quicker if i choke it or prime the carbs..... maybe shoving the screen in from my previous petcock created some kind of blockage... i guess i will start looking for an inline fuel filter and a replacement hose.

      thanks a million for the reply!

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        #4
        Bought these carbs on eBay...think they will get the job done with a rebuild

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          #5
          " I was going to bid on a rebuilt set of carbs on ebay for $75!!! but my sniping program failed and the other guy got them. that was a bad day... "





          Hmmmmm,
          I just bought a set of carbs off ebay for 76$. I believe I'm the "other guy". Glad your sniping program failed. J/k, Not flaming just thought it was funny.

          Good luck
          David

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            #6
            Thanks for the insight donut...

            I'm really not having a fun time with this bike right now, so being reminded of that doesn't help.

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              #7
              The first thing that came to my mind was points that have worn so far they don't open. Happened to me once with an old BMW car. Does this bike still have the original points/condenser ignition or an aftermarket ignitor type?

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                #8
                Yeah... the original ignition has been replaced with electronic...

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                  #9
                  just wait till ya get those carbs cleaned up and on the bike, should go a long way towards gettin ya running. Don't let it get ya down, my bike took almost 5 months to get road worthy. I understand you need your bike "right now" but unfortunately it is what it is.

                  you WILL be a happy GSer once you can touch the button and it rumbles to life and stays running

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                    #10
                    Yea my thoughts exactly. Until then I am just going to bitch and moan at the school for not providing us with shuttles to town, or on campus (car) parking! :twisted:

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