Bearing cups

[Ed Vrolijk]

Hi there,
Last week I posted a question about the exchange of frotforks and swingarm of a GSX 1100 to mount them on a GS1000. One more question, (for the moment). Can I use the bearingcups that came off the GS1000 swingarm on the GSX 1100 swingarm? And if yes, is there a way to do this? I tried it last weekend, but it seems that it's a very tight fit. Should they be easy to fit or do you just pres them on with suitable force?
Greetings from Holland,
Ed

[Ed Vrolijk]

Help!

Come on guys,
I really need your help on this one! Working at sub zero temperatures is bad enough already, and not having a clue if i'm doing it the right way only makes it worse.
So please give me some advise.[-o<

Thanx,
Ed

[Steve]

Working at sub zero temperatures is bad enough already, ...
So please give me some advise.

Move to a warmer climate? :shock:

Sorry I don't have any advice about the bearing cups, but you asked for some advice. 8-[

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[Ed Vrolijk]

Oh Yes! A warmer climate!! Holland is a nice place to live but they should put a roof over it! (and central heating offcourse)
But for the time being i have to work on my bike in the garden shed of a friend of mine, witch is better than out on the street.
To bad you couldn't give any advise on the bearin cups.
By the way, since i only registered on this forum about a week ago, can you tell me the difference between senior members, members and junior members? at the moment i seem to be a junior member, but at the age of 44 you cant hardly call me junior.
Thanks anyway, and greetings from Holland,
Ed

[waterman]

Ed,
Welcome to the forum, sorry I can't offer helpful advise about bearing cap either. I can however explain that the difference between junior and senior membership: post count. Once you reach 100 posts, you are deemed to be a senior member. Somewhere around 20 posts will get you into the restricted areas, this keeps the spammers away (hopefully:-D). One other note, I don't think anyone here acts their age, junior or senior members.

[Steve]

at the moment i seem to be a junior member, but at the age of 44 you cant hardly call me junior.

Don't feel bad, I was over 50 when I was a "Junior Member".

Waterman has the idea, not sure about the numbers, though. The first transition might be 20 or 25 posts, but you become a "Senior Member" at 100 posts. \\/

By the way, there are some of us that value quality of posts rather than quantity. 8-[


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[SqDancerLynn1]

As far as removing the bearings from the swing arm, NO they are not reusable & will be distroyed during removal process.. USE new bearings

[BassCliff]

Hey howdy hey!

Mr. Ed Vrolijk,

Holland is beautiful in the summer. I would have a lot of fun riding through such a beautiful country on my GS motorcycle. And now, here is my "official" unofficial welcome.

Let it be known that on this day you are cordially and formally welcomed to the GSR Forum as a Junior Member in good standing with all the rights and privileges thereof. Further let it be known that your good standing can be improved with pictures (not you, your bike)! :grin:

Perhaps you've already seen these, but I like to remind all the new members. In addition to the carb rebuild series, I recommend visiting the garage section via the GSR Hompage and check out the Stator Papers. There's also a lot of great information in the Old Q&A section. I have some documentation on my little BikeCliff website to help get you familiar with doing routine maintenance tasks (note that it is 850G-specific but many tasks are common to all GS bikes). Other "user contributed" informational sites include those of Mr. bwringer, Mr. tfb and Mr. robertbarr.

And here are some quotes from one of our dear beloved gurus, Mr. bwringer, with ideas on basic maintenance needs (depending on initial condition), parts, and accessories.

***********<Quoted from Mr. bwringer>************
Carburetor maintenance:

Replace the intake boot o-rings, and possibly the intake boots. Here's the procedure:
http://bwringer.com/gs/intakeorings.html

Here's an overview of what happens with this particular problem:
http://cycleorings.com/intake.html

You'll also want to examine the boots between the carbs and the airbox. There's a good chance these are OK, but check them over.

And finally, if things still aren't exactly right, you'll want to order a set of o-rings for BS carbs from the GS owner's best friend, Robert Barr:
http://cycleorings.com

Once you receive these rare rings of delight, then you'll want to thoroughly clean and rebuild your carburetors. Here are step-by-step instructions that make this simple:
http://thegsresources.com/gs_carbrebuild.htm
*************<End Quote>*************
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GS850 Basics:

Every GS850 has (or had) a set of well-known issues that MUST be addressed before you have a solid baseline for further troubleshooting.

It's a vintage bike, and it's quite common (as in, every single GS850 I have had contact with) that there are multiple problems that have crept up and slowly gotten worse over the years.

It's not like a newer vehicle, where there's generally one problem at a time.

These common issues are:

Intake O-rings (install NEW OEM or Viton only - common nitrile o-rings will quickly deteriorate from heat)

Intake Boots (install NEW -- these cannot be repaired)

Valve clearances (more important than most people think)

Carb/airbox boots

Airbox sealing

Air filter sealing

Petcock (install a NEW one)

On '79 models, install new points or Dyna electronic ignition (or at least verify that the old points are working correctly)

On all models, it's fairly common to have problems with the spark plug caps. These are $3 or $4 each, and often worth replacing if you're keeping the stock coils/wires.

Stock exhaust with NO leaks or holes -- good seals at the head and at the junctions underneath.
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Parts and Accessories:

http://denniskirk.com
Put in your bike model and see what they have.

I would definitely double and triple the recommendations to use Cycle Recycle II and Z1 Enterprises as much as possible. These guys are priceless resources. Z1 tends to have slightly better prices, CRC2 has a wider range of goodies available. If you're near Indy and can bring in an old part to match, CRC2 has a vast inventory of used parts.

http://oldbikebarn.com seems to be slowly regaining a decent reputation, but it's still caveat emptor. They don't have anything you can't get elsewhere at a better price anyway.

OEM Parts/Online Fiches:

http://www.babbittsonline.com/
Decent parts prices. Spendy shipping. Don't give you part numbers at all. Useful cross-reference if you obtain a part number elsewhere. Efficient service.

http://bikebandit.com
Fastest. Middlin' prices. Uses their own parts numbering system to obfuscate price comparisons -- can be very confusing for large orders. Cheapest shipping, so total cost usually isn't too bad.

http://flatoutmotorcycles.com
Slow. Cheapest parts prices, crazy shipping costs. Don't expect progress updates or much communication. Real Suzuki part numbers.

http://alpha-sports.com
Exorbitant parts prices. Different type of fiche interface that's quite useful at times, especially with superceded part numbers. Real parts numbers. Shipping cost and speed unknown due to insane, unholy pricing.

Stainless Bolts, Viton o-rings, metric taps, dies, assorted hard-to-find supplies and materials, etc.:
http://mcmaster.com
Fast, cheap shipping, good prices. No order minimum, but many items like bolts come in packs of 25 or 50. Excellent resource.

http://motorcycleseatcovers.com
Great quality, perfect fit (on original seat foam), and available for pretty much every bike ever made. Avoid the textured vinyl -- it's perforated.

http://newenough.com
You DO have riding gear, don't you? Great clearances, always outstanding prices and impeccable service.
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Here are a few extra links:

Cycle-Re-Cycle Part 2
http://crc2onlinecatalog.com/

The ever popular Z1 Enterprises
http://www.z1enterprises.com

The Rice Paddy (salvage/used)
http://www.ricepaddymotorcycles.com

Ron Ayers Motorsports
http://www.ronayers.com

Lots of good info/pictures

http://www.suzukicycles.org

Thanks for joining us. Keep us informed of your progress. There's lots of good folk with good experience here.

Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
(The unofficial GSR greeter)

[Ed Vrolijk]

As far as removing the bearings from the swing arm, NO they are not reusable & will be distroyed during removal process.. USE new bearings

Hi SqDancerLynn1,
I know that you can't replace the bearings, but that was not my question.
The question was if i can reuse the bearingcups from the GS1000 swingarm on the GSX1100 swingarm, and if so, wil they slide on or do you have to press them on.
Ed

[Ed Vrolijk]

me again

Hi there,
After some extensive reading in this and other forums i've found out that what i'm calling bearingcups is what everybody else seems to be calling bearing covers or dust seals. Sorry for the confusion this may have caused.
Ed

[Calvin Blackmore]

Ed can you give us the years of each machine in question?

[katalica]

Hi Ed,
those are what I would call a pocket type bearing. I have a Kat 1000 sz and happen to have a set of those bearings that I have never installed,but the factory manual shows pulling both bearings in at the same time with something like a piece of threaded with heavy washers against bearings and tightening nuts on both ends of rod. hope this helps.
Steve

[Ed Vrolijk]

Ed can you give us the years of each machine in question?

Hi Calvin,
The GS1000 is from 1978, and the GSX1100 is from 1983

Hi Ed,
those are what I would call a pocket type bearing. I have a Kat 1000 sz and happen to have a set of those bearings that I have never installed,but the factory manual shows pulling both bearings in at the same time with something like a piece of threaded with heavy washers against bearings and tightening nuts on both ends of rod. hope this helps.
Steve

Hi Steve,
Like mentioned before it's not the bearings that worry me, but the dust seals / covers. Than again, if you can press the bearings in with a device like you described, i'll think you can do this with the covers / seals all the same. I'll give it a try and let you know.
Thanks and greetings,
Ed

[katalica]

ED,
On my Kat the caps or dust seal you are call it are rubber coated and can be removed by hand with a twist, where there is also a thin shim like washer between it the (cap) and swingarm is all mine and a spare bike have .

[Ed Vrolijk]

ED,
On my Kat the caps or dust seal you are call it are rubber coated and can be removed by hand with a twist, where there is also a thin shim like washer between it the (cap) and swingarm is all mine and a spare bike have .

Thanks for the info, everybody, and sorry for the late reply. saturday morning i will give it a try, and lets hope that the rest of the transformation goes a bit easyer. After that i hope to enjoy a real nice dutch summer, (wich will be the first time in years) and at the end of the season i will start working on the electrickery, (i.e. ripping everything off, and start from scratch with decent wires and new connectors, with as litlle wire as possible according to a jet to be designed wiring scheme)
By for now,:-D
Ed