Head-aches G1000

[Billyboy]

yes, as i said, those rubber rings are pita to install as they overlap with the gasket cut-out (as you found too), and they overlap just so they're neither in nor completely on top of the gasket cut-outs
in the future i think i would omit fitting them, on purpose

Well, if you think leaving them out is ok, then I won't sweat it.

[psyguy]

Well, if you think leaving them out is ok, then I won't sweat it.

i'm not an expert
but take your vesrah gasket and those rings and see if you think the way they fit (or DONT fit) together makes any sense
now place the gasket on the head (without the rubber rings) and see if you think there might be any reason for a leak
now imagine when the rings sit only PARTIALLY on the gasket, how squished and twisted they must get once you tighten the head nuts

i think the original gasket is more difficult/expensive to make so vesrah came up with this simpler/cheaper gasket, but then added the rings "on the side" so the gasket theoretically resembles the original more closely

(my 2c, blah blah blah)

[Billyboy]

i'm not an expert
but take your vesrah gasket and those rings and see if you think the way they fit (or DONT fit) together makes any sense
now place the gasket on the head (without the rubber rings) and see if you think there might be any reason for a leak
now imagine when the rings sit only PARTIALLY on the gasket, how squished and twisted they must get once you tighten the head nuts

i think the original gasket is more difficult/expensive to make so vesrah came up with this simpler/cheaper gasket, but then added the rings "on the side" so the gasket theoretically resembles the original more closely

(my 2c, blah blah blah)

I trust that logic. Before I installed the gasket I looked over those little buggers and tried to fit them in the oil "holes" in the head gasket, and you're right. The fit sucks. I thought there's no way I'm going to be able to fit these bastits in straight, so I concluded they go elsewhere.
I'm fine with them left out. If it leaks, I'll get an oem gasket.

[Suzuki_Don]

I trust that logic. Before I installed the gasket I looked over those little buggers and tried to fit them in the oil "holes" in the head gasket, and you're right. The fit sucks. I thought there's no way I'm going to be able to fit these bastits in straight, so I concluded they go elsewhere.
I'm fine with them left out. If it leaks, I'll get an oem gasket.

Billyboy can you post a reply when you get the motor started to let us know if there are any oil leaks. As I said in the other post I am doing the same job on my GS550B and will have to fit my head gasket and four seals as well. Would like to know if motor starts OK and if any oil leaks out anywhere.

Cheers

[Jackbob]

Hi Psy - give us a call sometime 0275 471700
Cheers.

[psyguy]

Hi Psy - give us a call sometime 0275 471700
Cheers.

cool
will do :-D

[Suzuki_Don]

you can advance the timing a little if you're too worried, haynes manual tells you how to do this without any timing tools (not very scientific method but sufice for your needs unless you're into getting every possible hp or torque that's in that engine)

Hey PSYGUY do you know what page this info is on in the Haynes manual. Had a quick look and couldn't find it.
Cheers. Don

[Billyboy]

Billyboy can you post a reply when you get the motor started to let us know if there are any oil leaks. As I said in the other post I am doing the same job on my GS550B and will have to fit my head gasket and four seals as well. Would like to know if motor starts OK and if any oil leaks out anywhere.

Cheers

Will do. Likely in the other thread.

[psyguy]

dont have the manuals on me and may be mistaken as i have various manuals so i was speaking from memory
but i remember something to do with the alignment of that round plate on the ignition side, i think i recall it can be "missaligned" a few degrees each side from the "correct" centre position
there's some lines there that have to match, but you can miss-match them by a few degrees
hopefully, i'm not adding to the confusion

[Suzuki_Don]

dont have the manuals on me and may be mistaken as i have various manuals so i was speaking from memory
but i remember something to do with the alignment of that round plate on the ignition side, i think i recall it can be "missaligned" a few degrees each side from the "correct" centre position
there's some lines there that have to match, but you can miss-match them by a few degrees
hopefully, i'm not adding to the confusion

OK Thanks PSYGUY

[Kcwiro]

stupid maybe.. but when I hear 4 rubber rings... and complete gasket set... I think the rubber rings that are supposed to go under the block into the crank area on bottom of the sleeves... my head gasket just had the metal ring molded into it which I believe I did face up so head crushed them down.

There maybe something in differences between the 1000 and 750 so dismiss this if I am completely wrong *newbie in training*:-D

[DoctorNick]

um, here's my advice, put the dowel pins in the cylinder side as to line up your vesrah gasket. put the gasket on. put the 4 rubber coated washers (exposed metal side down is how I put mine) over your outside stems and you'll notice the holes on the gasket are larger on the outside stems to make room for the rubber washers. The OEM gasket has the gasket and rubber washers as a single unit.

[Jackbob]

On Friday after work i decided to remove the head again and check the gaskets - rather do it now with the carbs and exhaust off - than later.

I agree with Doctor Nick regarding the small gasket/seal rings - i also came to this conclusion after having another look - they go inside the copper rings. I figure that they wouldnt include them for no reason.

Also - the head gasket cannot be re used - most of the soft outer gasket was damaged removing the head as it had bonded nicely to the cylinder block surface, despite never having been hot. I have another Vesrah one coming (about 1/5th the price of an OEM gasket incidentally).

Cheers

[Suzuki_Don]

On Friday after work i decided to remove the head again and check the gaskets - rather do it now with the carbs and exhaust off - than later.

I agree with Doctor Nick regarding the small gasket/seal rings - i also came to this conclusion after having another look - they go inside the copper rings. I figure that they wouldnt include them for no reason.

Also - the head gasket cannot be re used - most of the soft outer gasket was damaged removing the head as it had bonded nicely to the cylinder block surface, despite never having been hot. I have another Vesrah one coming (about 1/5th the price of an OEM gasket incidentally).

Cheers

How about a picture of how it all goes back together. The head gasket on the cylinders and the rubber rings in place for those of us that have yet to do this job. These rubber rings in my Vesrah kit are an orange type colour.

[Jackbob]

Ok will take a photo and post later