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    Bike refuses to start... I need help

    Ok new Dyna coils are mounted. We crank the bike and got it to cough but very intermittently. Still won't start. Checked the plugs (new) and there is a healthy fat blue spark. Tried starting fluid... nada. Priming the bowls... nada. Blowing through the vent hoses... small sputter (again very intermittently---> probably coincidental).

    I am at a loss here guys. Battery is fully charged, starter turns the engine over strongly. Compression will forcibly blow your tight pressed thumb right off the spark plug hole.

    Could it be timing? Any other things to check? It's been 12 hours of cranking on that bike again today. Any thoughts would be welcome at this point.
    2010 Honda VFR1200F
    1983 Suzuki GS750T (sold)
    Being Revisited
    1981 Honda CM400T
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    #2
    What did you do since the last time it ran?
    Ed

    To measure is to know.

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      #3
      Are the plugs wet with gas? If they arent, chances are it isnt getting fuel, or enough fuel. What is the set up on this bike? IE, pipes, intake, etc? Any jetting mods? This is the 750T I am assuming, right? Where are your baseline carb settings at?

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        #4
        have

        you got thr correct wires on the correct coils? and got the correct HT leads going to the correct plug?, ie coil 1 to no 1 and no 4 and coil 2 to no 2 and 3?

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          #5
          Did you double check your wiring to make sure everything is connected
          properly?

          Was it running before you replaced the coils?

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            #6
            I bet you switched the coils.
            1983 GS 1100E w/ 1230 kit, .340 lift Web Cams, Ape heavy duty valve springs, 83 1100 head with 1.5mm oversized SS intake valves, 1150 crank, Vance and Hines 1150 SuperHub, Star Racing high volume oil pump gears, 36mm carebs Dynojet stage 3 jet kit, Posplayr's SSPB, Progressive rear shocks and fork springs, Dyna 2000, Dynatek green coils and Vance & Hines 4-1 exhaust.
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              #7
              Originally posted by robinm View Post
              you got thr correct wires on the correct coils? and got the correct HT leads going to the correct plug?, ie coil 1 to no 1 and no 4 and coil 2 to no 2 and 3?
              i'll bet on this one
              GS850GT

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                #8
                Originally posted by cloudbreakmd View Post
                It's been 12 hours of cranking on that bike again today. Any thoughts would be welcome at this point.
                My thoughts? You have one heck of a battery.

                Actually, since the addition of a Dyna system is the only thing mentioned as a recent change, that is the first think I would suspect. I have never installed one, so I don't know all the little details, but I imagine it might be easy enough to accidently swap coil wires or plug wires, as others have mentioned.

                Next thought: Did the bike start and run well before the Dyna install, or did you install the Dyna in hopes of getting it to start better?
                If you installed the Dyna to get it to start better, consider adjusting your valves first. Hard cold starting is a classic symptom of tight valves.

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                  #9
                  The history on the bike is that it sat for 4 years before I started working on it several months ago. Truth be told the bike has not run in four years. It ran fine until it was put away wet. A stage one jet kit was installed 2 months ago. The old coils were replaced because a friend of mine accidentally dropped the old set onto a concrete floor and I was being cautious about a future failure from damaged windings. Could somebody verify the wiring for the coil wires? I will take a pic of what I have.
                  2010 Honda VFR1200F
                  1983 Suzuki GS750T (sold)
                  Being Revisited
                  1981 Honda CM400T
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                    #10
                    I have not heard the bike run in 4 years. Here is a list of work that's been done in the past four months:
                    Oil change
                    New Spark Plugs
                    New Air Filter
                    New Coils and Ignition Wires
                    Head Gasket
                    Valve Clearance Check
                    Carb rebuild/Jetting
                    Stator
                    Regulator
                    2010 Honda VFR1200F
                    1983 Suzuki GS750T (sold)
                    Being Revisited
                    1981 Honda CM400T
                    http://www.bikepics.com/members/cloudbreakmd/

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                      #11
                      My guess is timing - either cam timing or ignition.

                      If you put a test light on the signal wire firing the coil and then turn the engine over while watching the timing mark on the right side of the crank, the test light should illuminate when the F mark comes up on the indicator. Assuming this is okay, it wouldn't hurt to double check the cam timing. It's fairly easy to be off a tooth or so on the cam sprockets.

                      Last thing, maybe first, is to open a couple float bowl drain screws and see if the carbs are filled with gas.

                      Hope this helps.
                      Ed

                      To measure is to know.

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                        #12
                        If you're plugs aren't wet after all that cranking, you have a fuel problem.

                        Like Nessism suggests, open the carb drains and make sure you have gas there.

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                          #13
                          The bowls definitely have fuel in them. I will check the rest.
                          2010 Honda VFR1200F
                          1983 Suzuki GS750T (sold)
                          Being Revisited
                          1981 Honda CM400T
                          http://www.bikepics.com/members/cloudbreakmd/

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                            #14
                            Left coil is feeding 1 and 4. Right coil is feeding 2 and 3.

                            All of the following images were taken from the right side of the bike (foot brake side).

                            I think the wiring is correct at this point. But I could be wrong... Sighs. Help?








                            Last edited by cloudbreakmd; 08-03-2008, 01:21 PM.
                            2010 Honda VFR1200F
                            1983 Suzuki GS750T (sold)
                            Being Revisited
                            1981 Honda CM400T
                            http://www.bikepics.com/members/cloudbreakmd/

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                              #15
                              Oh and to be clear...

                              The left side coil has the rearmost plug wire feeding number 1 cylinder. The front plug wire on the left side is feeding number 4.

                              The right side coil rearmost wire is feeding number 2 cylinder and the front wire is feeding number 3 cylinder.
                              2010 Honda VFR1200F
                              1983 Suzuki GS750T (sold)
                              Being Revisited
                              1981 Honda CM400T
                              http://www.bikepics.com/members/cloudbreakmd/

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