I've f%$#& had it with brakes

[chef1366]

Fvck it. Put a wooden seat on it, cut off the fenders and make it a Cafe! Who needs brakes!

[TheCafeKid]

Fvck it. Put a wooden seat on it, cut off the fenders and make it a Cafe! Who needs brakes!

HEY!!! My cafe's ALWAYS have brakes. Good ones! and wooden seats are so passe` man. Get with the times! Its all 'glass now man!!

[TheCafeKid]

I believe it, its a pain in the rear to make sure that splitter is air free. I'll price out the goodrich lines + hardware and post back. How does the routing work with the double lines?

One down each fork leg, just like stock, only you'll have to measure to see how long your new lines will need to be. I think you need to add an inch or two to your measurement for the fitting or something like that.

[J_C]

Caliper banjos - 2 x $9.59
Double MC banjo - $7.14
2 brake lines (guesstimated) - $45

Total (guesstimated) - $72 + shipping

[salty_monk]

That sounds about right.... If I was going to do mine again I would put a single line down to one caliper... then loop a short line over the top of the fender to the other caliper.

In fact I may still do that, perhaps you can use one of my long ones & we can get two new short ones...

By the way - the lines aren't your problem.. I ran stock lines with the same setup as you for at least 8k miles with no problems & mine were not new like yours, just flushed.

I have calipers & master cylinders here.... we can Ebay all your parts when finished or something to give me some sort of return. Let's try to sort it out at the weekend or something. Maybe we can have a joint garage day with Ed... Could do with a hand to put the electronic ignition into my Falcon anyway, maybe two birds one stone.

Dan

[chef1366]

Too much salt where you at. I'll take the Falcon.

[salty_monk]

$1800 to you

[J_C]

What's a falcon??

I love garage days! I'm in!

Yeah, I agree lines are most likely not the issue. I still suspect that that 14mm mc isn't pushing enough fluid through, but I'll know for sure when I get the 5/8" mc on tomorrow.

I have brand new ferodo platinum pads I can't return (since I already opened the packages) that I put on yesterday, so I'm going to try like hell to make this work with my calipers. But I do love garage days =]

As for the lines, sounds like an awesome idea. Not sure your line would be long enough for the L though...

[salty_monk]

I'm pretty sure the offside would do your near side.... mine have a bit of slack in them anyhow. We can always have a measure up.

A Falcon:



This one is a 62 with an uprated engine (200ci), axle etc. Looks much better in the pic than in the flesh

Dan

[J_C]

OOHHHHHH I definitely want to help on it (I'd love to use someone else's money for a change )


Yeah let's measure one of these days!

[Nessism]

If money is a concern, Earl's (in Lawndale) is the way to go for the lines.

Hose is $2.99/foot x 5
Straight banjo - $7.04 each x 2
Angle banjo - $8.24 x 2

Whole thing should cost $50 with tax.

The guy at Earl's is pretty cool. You can ask him to crimp one straight banjo on each end of a piece of hose for you. That way you only need to cut the hose in half, and install an angled banjo on each end. Saves a little work. And please don't worry about the bolt on hose ends, they are MORE reliable than the bolt-on adapter ends that those Z1 Goodridge hoses use.

If it were me, I'd change the lines but I don't think that's the problem. Master is suspect to me.

Let me know if you need any help. I'm in for a garage day.

[TheCafeKid]

You guys are jerks. I wanna play too. Screw it. Im goin home

[cbrophy22]

A trick I learned from my friend

If your tryed everthing and no luck try this.
Lean or postion your bike so that the air has the straightest path to the M/C. Let your bike sit for 30 min. Then just tap the handle with your fingers. All you want is, To just barely move the piston back and fourth about 1/8 of an inch and the bubbles with come up throught the M/C. It will take some time but it works.
And one more thing the colder the lines are the better

[J_C]

My mc theory has been proven incorrect, as the 5/8 can still be pulled into the bar, unless double pumped. Almost positive its air free. Clean crystal clear fluid was coming out at the calipers. I tried cb's trick at the mc and did get some bubbles coming out for a time, but it stopped after a time. I did all the same tricks as before.

I have a hard time imagining it, but I suppose the lines could be causing this. Would it be worth a trip to earl's?


edit: yes I'm now so frusterated I'm willing to throw money at the problem to make it go away.

[49er]

My mc theory has been proven incorrect, as the 5/8 can still be pulled into the bar, unless double pumped. Almost positive its air free. Clean crystal clear fluid was coming out at the calipers. I tried cb's trick at the mc and did get some bubbles coming out for a time, but it stopped after a time. I did all the same tricks as before.

I have a hard time imagining it, but I suppose the lines could be causing this. Would it be worth a trip to earl's?


edit: yes I'm now so frusterated I'm willing to throw money at the problem to make it go away.

Try working backwards from the caliper bleeders. First fill the MC then crack the banjo bolt. Now fit some clear hose over the left caliper bleeder with a squeeeze bottle full of brake fluid attached to it. Place some rag around the banjo area to protect your paint from the fluid. Open the bleeder and force the fluid into the caliper and back through the lines until clear fluid flows out the banjo opening. Repeat this on the right caliper. Tighten the MC banjo while the clear fluid is flowing. You have just completely eliminated air from the system from below the MC banjo, including the contensious tee fitting under the tree. Air likes to travel upwards so this system works a treat.

Check that the smaller of the two holes in the bottom of the MC reseviour is not blocked. This hole allows fluid to return from the line back to the MC after the brakes have been released. When blocked, air gets trapped foward of the piston and is difficult to expell. The blockage is not often apparant until you remove the brake lines.
It is also there to allow for natural expansion of the fluid within the brake system when the ambient temperatures rise significantly. Mine blocked and would cause the brakes to drag after the bike had been sitting in the sun all day.

Good luck.