Know of where to get good manuals?

[jeff metz]

I am looking for a manual for my bike to enable me to do a complete tear down and rebuild. Any ideas what book is good or where to go?

[Steve]

First things first, I guess.


What bike?


BassCliff will be along shortly with his little welcome, he has a bunch of manuals on his website that are available for download.

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[rapidray]

If it's a Suzuki, your Suzuki dealer would be a good place. If it's not a Suzuki it doesn't really matter because it's an inferior motorcycle & you should sell it & get a Suzuki!!!! Ray.

[bwringer]

Whatever it is, if it exists, these guys will have it:

http://repairmanual.com

You'd be lucky to get a Suzuki dealer to even speak to you -- you're supposed to buy a new bike, not bug them for parts for old weird bikes.

[Nessism]

Basscliff has a good selection for download... http://members.dslextreme.com/users/bikecliff/

Some of these come from repairmanualclub.com ... free downloads.

[Pearson]

If it's a Suzuki, your Suzuki dealer would be a good place. If it's not a Suzuki it doesn't really matter because it's an inferior motorcycle & you should sell it & get a Suzuki!!!! Ray.

NICE!! lol

[glenlloyd]

I bought the Clymer GS750 workshop manual from the Clymer website, their price was better than anyone else for a new one.

steve a

[Mark M]

You'd be lucky to get a Suzuki dealer to even speak to you -- you're supposed to buy a new bike, not bug them for parts for old weird bikes.

I guess I have a decent dealer, then. They happily order anything I need for the old girl. They sell it, I buy it. Everyone is happy...


Mark

[BassCliff]

Greetings and Salutations!

Hi Mr. jeff metz,

As has been mentioned, I have a few manuals available for download on my website, and links to others. I like having paper copies too. Check craigslist and ebay if you don't want to pay retail. Now here's the full monty mega-welcome!

Let it be known that on this day you are cordially and formally welcomed to the GSR Forum as a Junior Member in good standing with all the rights and privileges thereof. Further let it be known that your good standing can be improved with pictures (not you, your bike)!

Perhaps you've already seen these, but I like to remind all the new members. In addition to the carb rebuild series, I recommend visiting the In The Garage section via the GSR Homepage and check out the Stator Papers. There's also a lot of great information in the Old Q&A section. I have some documentation on my little BikeCliff website to help get you familiar with doing routine maintenance tasks (note that it is 850G-specific but many tasks are common to all GS bikes). Other "user contributed" informational sites include those of Mr. bwringer, Mr. tfb and Mr. robertbarr. And if your bike uses shims for valve adjustments, send an email to Mr. Steve requesting a copy of his Excel spreadsheet that helps you keep track of clearances, shim sizes and other service work.

These are some edited quotes from one of our dear beloved gurus, Mr. bwringer, with ideas on basic needs (depending on initial condition), parts, and accessories.

***********Quoted from Mr. bwringer************
Every GS850 [and most other models] has (or had) a set of well-known issues that MUST be addressed before you have a solid baseline for further troubleshooting. It's a vintage bike, and it's quite common (as in, every single GS850 I have had contact with) that there are multiple problems that have crept up and slowly gotten worse over the years. It's not like a newer vehicle, where there's generally one problem at a time.

These common issues are:

1. Intake O-rings (install NEW OEM or Viton only - common nitrile O-rings will quickly deteriorate from heat)
2. Intake Boots (install NEW -- these cannot be repaired)
3. Valve clearances (more important than most people think)
4. Carb/airbox boots
5. Airbox sealing
6. Air filter sealing
7. Petcock (install a NEW one)
8. On '79 models, install new points or Dyna electronic ignition (or at least verify that the old points are working correctly)
9. On all models, it's fairly common to have problems with the spark plug caps. These are $3 or $4 each, and often worth replacing if you're keeping the stock coils/wires.
10. Stock exhaust with NO leaks or holes -- good seals at the head and at the junctions underneath.

Carburetor maintenance:

Replace the intake boot o-rings, and possibly the intake boots. Here's the procedure:

http://bwringer.com/gs/intakeorings.html

Here's an overview of what happens with this particular problem:

http://cycleorings.com/intake.html

You'll also want to examine the boots between the carbs and the airbox. There's a good chance these are OK, but check them over.
And finally, if things still aren't exactly right, you'll want to order a set of o-rings for BS carbs from the GS owner's best friend, Robert Barr:

http://cycleorings.com

Once you receive these rare rings of delight, then you'll want to thoroughly clean and rebuild your carburetors. Here are step-by-step instructions that make this simple:

http://thegsresources.com/gs_carbrebuild.htm

OEM Parts/Online Fiches:

I would definitely double and triple the recommendations to use Cycle Recycle II and Z1 Enterprises as much as possible. These guys are priceless resources. Z1 tends to have slightly better prices, CRC2 has a wider range of goodies available. If you're near Indy and can bring in an old part to match, CRC2 has a vast inventory of used parts.
http://denniskirk.com - Put in your bike model and see what they have.
http://oldbikebarn.com - seems to be slowly regaining a decent reputation, but it's still caveat emptor. They don't have anything you can't get elsewhere at a better price anyway.
http://www.babbittsonline.com/ - Decent parts prices. Spendy shipping. Don't give you part numbers at all. Useful cross-reference if you obtain a part number elsewhere. Efficient service.
http://bikebandit.com - Fastest. Middlin' prices. Uses their own parts numbering system to obfuscate price comparisons -- can be very confusing for large orders. Cheapest shipping, so total cost usually isn't too bad.
http://flatoutmotorcycles.com - Slow. Cheapest parts prices, crazy shipping costs. Don't expect progress updates or much communication. Real Suzuki part numbers.
http://alpha-sports.com - Exorbitant parts prices. Different type of fiche interface that's quite useful at times, especially with superceded part numbers. Real parts numbers. Shipping cost and speed unknown due to insane, unholy pricing.

Stainless Bolts, Viton o-rings, metric taps, dies, assorted hard-to-find supplies and materials, etc:

http://mcmaster.com - Fast, cheap shipping, good prices. No order minimum, but many items like bolts come in packs of 25 or 50. Excellent resource.
http://motorcycleseatcovers.com - Great quality, perfect fit (on original seat foam), and available for pretty much every bike ever made. Avoid the textured vinyl -- it's perforated.
http://newenough.com - You DO have riding gear, don't you? Great clearances, always outstanding prices and impeccable service.
***************End Quote**********************

Additional parts/info links:

GSR Forum member Mr. duaneage has great used upgraded Honda regulator/rectifiers for our bikes. Send him a PM.
New electrical parts:
http://stores.ebay.com/RMSTATOR or http://www.rmstator.com/

http://www.ricksmotorsportelectrics.com/index.php

http://www.electrosport.com/

For valve cover and breather gaskets, I recommend Real Gaskets (reusable silicon):

http://www.realgaskets.com

Carolina Cycle

http://www.carolinacycle.com

Ron Ayers Motorsports

http://www.ronayers.com

MR Cycles

http://www.mrcycles.com

Moto Grid

http://www.motogrid.com

Salvage/Used

http://www.ricepaddymotorcycles.com

http://www.ozpowersports.com/

If all else fails, try this:

http://www.used-motorcycle-parts.org/

Used bike buying checklists:

http://www.amadirectlink.com/roadrid.../checklist.asp

http://www.clarity.net/~adam/buying-bike.html

Lots of good info/pictures here:

http://www.suzukicycles.org

http://www.cyclechaos.com/wiki/Motorcycle_Wiki

http://www.bikepics.com
Basic motorcycle maintenance/repair:
http://www.dansmc.com/mc_repaircourse.htm
Online Clymer manuals:
http://search.ebscohost.com/ Click on "Small Engine Repair" then "Motorcycles". User=library, password=library. Note: This link may not work if you are on a school campus.


Thanks for joining us. Keep us informed of your progress. There's lots of good folk with good experience here.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
(The unofficial GSR greeter)

Click here to visit BikeCliff's website.

[bwringer]

I guess I have a decent dealer, then. They happily order anything I need for the old girl. They sell it, I buy it. Everyone is happy...


Mark

Then you are a very lucky rider, indeed!

[Mark M]

Then you are a very lucky rider, indeed!

It always strikes me as strange when a dealer won't order parts for any bike they can. Who cares if it is new or old? They order a part # and they make their usual margin on it, no matter what bike it is for. All they do is look up a number on the fiche, they don't need to actually know what the part is. The kid who ordered my fork parts or the valve cover gasket certainly wasn't as old as the bike, but he made it work anyway... Seems strange to turn business away like that.

Mark

[seuadr]

It always strikes me as strange when a dealer won't order parts for any bike they can. Who cares if it is new or old? They order a part # and they make their usual margin on it, no matter what bike it is for. All they do is look up a number on the fiche, they don't need to actually know what the part is. The kid who ordered my fork parts or the valve cover gasket certainly wasn't as old as the bike, but he made it work anyway... Seems strange to turn business away like that.

Mark

it is strange.. the stealership closest to me instead asks crazy prices.. so i drive half an hour to a farther dealership that asks NORMAL prices for things.. AND the parts guy not only knows my bike, but he drag races the EXACT same year

it's great, when i go in and talk shop, he actually knows what i'm talking about